Soooo … is a Civil War brewing in Minneapolis?

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Dollar Store Heinrich Himmler is going to get railroaded bigly soon, methinks. He is currently heading towards costing the Republicans both houses of Congress in November.
 
Willy said:
I’m all for non-violence, but fuck “killing them with kindness.” These idiots need to be told they’re fucking worthless, fascist, scum. Ridicule these Nazi fuckers.
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But telling-off the idiots is equivalent of yelling at a horrible, ignorant driver - you aren't going to change them. The target is actually officials and other American observers.
 
Lol Trump was always going to TACO, just like he always has his entire life. It just sucks that in this instance he TACO'd two state-sanctioned executions too late. But better late than never, before number three happens.
 
Willy said:
I’m all for non-violence, but fuck “killing them with kindness.” These idiots need to be told they’re fucking worthless, fascist, scum. Ridicule these Nazi fuckers.
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How has that worked? Do you think most of these ICE guys feel bad? Bad enough to stop what they're doing? You can go back to the old Upton Sinclair quote, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

The goal is to get the leadership to make a change. Acting like a-holes may feel pretty good if you're a protester and may make other protesters think you're the bee's knees, may even get you laid with that cute hippie chick, but it turns off voters.

I think the whistling and the honking is fine. I think the "leave our city" type chants are fine. When protesters start with the spittle flying invectives, they look deranged.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
How has that worked? Do you think most of these ICE guys feel bad? Bad enough to stop what they're doing? You can go back to the old Upton Sinclair quote, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

The goal is to get the leadership to make a change. Acting like a-holes may feel pretty good if you're a protester and may make other protesters think you're the bee's knees, may even get you laid with that cute hippie chick, but it turns off voters.

I think the whistling and the honking is fine. I think the "leave our city" type chants are fine. When protesters start with the spittle flying invectives, they look deranged.
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gregh1 said:
But telling-off the idiots is equivalent of yelling at a horrible, ignorant driver - you aren't going to change them. The target is actually officials and other American observers.
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i think the public perception has changed and i think calling fascist scum, scum is incredibly cathartic and has mobilized your disenchanted youth that otherwise wouldn’t have cared as much.
 
Willy said:
I’m all for non-violence, but fuck “killing them with kindness.” These idiots need to be told they’re fucking worthless, fascist, scum. Ridicule these Nazi fuckers.
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And that is fine too. Especially for the talking heads for the TV cameras and on your socials and for the politicians to do so. But for the boots on the ground protesters - those in the direct line of fire… it’s better they remain calm while telling ICE they are fucking worthless, fascist, scum, Nazi fuckers.
 
Willy said:
i think the public perception has changed and i think calling fascist scum, scum is incredibly cathartic and has mobilized your disenchanted youth that otherwise wouldn’t have cared as much.
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Is the goal to help protesters feel cathartic or is the goal to affect a policy change?

I suppose mobilizing youth might be an argument. It's kind of hard to tell with how bundled up everybody is but I'm really not seeing a whole lot of youth out there at these protests. I could be wrong.

The BLM protests, sure. Plenty of youth there but I'm not sure there was too much real change. I think it also ended up helping Trump a bit but probably not the main factor.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lol Trump was always going to TACO, just like he always has his entire life. It just sucks that in this instance he TACO'd two state-sanctioned executions too late. But better late than never, before number three happens.
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I have read this site long enough to know you are very articulate in your beliefs. You are also one of my favored posters to read. I have also experienced you as tending towards sanguine. I like your core hopefulness particularly given the cynicism I developed over years trying and failing to kindly steer my fellow old, white, blue collar men to new perspectives. Grandkids help too.

Also I think you are wrong. The brutality will just move back to Chicago, Portland, Seattle, or some newly brutalized place like Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit, Albuquerque or the like. Until there are signs Trump is truly scared the bloodthirsty will continue to pull his marionette strings. Miller, Noem, Homan, Vance, Vought, Hegseth, Kevin Roberts, the billionaires are all some combination of truly bloodthirsty or perfectly comfortable with mass violence as long as their property and their perspectives are threatened.
 
nycfan said:




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🎁 —> https://www.wsj.com/opinion/tim-wal...4?st=HpLeDo&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

“The Trump administration’s assault on Minnesota long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement. It is a campaign of organized brutality against the people of our state. It isn’t just. It isn’t legal. And, critically, it isn’t making anyone any safer.

… I can’t stress this enough: The Trump administration has its facts wrong about Minnesota.

The administration claims that Minnesota jails release “the worst of the worst.”

In reality, the Minnesota Department of Corrections honors all federal and local detainers by notifying Immigration and Customs Enforcement when a person committed to its custody isn’t a U.S. citizen. There is not a single documented case of the department’s releasing someone from state prison without offering to ensure a smooth transfer of custody.

Yet the lies persist. This week, ICE tweeted that rural Cottonwood County had refused to honor a detainer for an alleged child sex predator.

That’s not true. The county sheriff followed procedure and contacted ICE when the subject posted bail, but ICE agents were too busy wreaking havoc in the Twin Cities to do their actual job and pick the prisoner up.

Some of the administration’s claims are ridiculous on their face. For example: It claims that 1,360 non-U.S. citizens are in Minnesota prisons. The truth: Our total state prison population is roughly 8,000, and only 207 of them are noncitizens.

Earlier this month, the administration published what it claimed was a list of people who have been arrested as part of this ICE sweep, asserting that this list represents “the worst of the worst” criminals, and implying that we have been protecting them from capture.

Minnesota Public Radio investigated this claim and found it to be completely false: “Most of the people on the list had been immediately transferred to ICE custody at the end of time served in Minnesota prisons. All of those transfers happened before ICE began its surge of operations in Minnesota on Dec. 1, 2025, with some even happening years before.”…”
 
pspsps said:
I have read this site long enough to know you are very articulate in your beliefs. You are also one of my favored posters to read. I have also experienced you as tending towards sanguine. I like your core hopefulness particularly given the cynicism I developed over years trying and failing to kindly steer my fellow old, white, blue collar men to new perspectives. Grandkids help too.

Also I think you are wrong. The brutality will just move back to Chicago, Portland, Seattle, or some newly brutalized place like Madison, Milwaukee, Detroit, Albuquerque or the like. Until there are signs Trump is truly scared the bloodthirsty will continue to pull his marionette strings. Miller, Noem, Homan, Vance, Vought, Hegseth, Kevin Roberts, the billionaires are all some combination of truly bloodthirsty or perfectly comfortable with mass violence as long as their property and their perspectives are threatened.
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I am both deeply grateful and profoundly undeserving of such kind words. Thank you. That meant a lot to me.
 
nycfan said:
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Warmup for Trump Civil War and Insurrection Act.

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Why Obama’s Immigration Enforcement Policy Was Better Than Trump’s

Obama prioritized the deportation of felons and security threats. Trump is giving us legal chaos, fewer deportations, and less safety.
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Why Obama’s Immigration Enforcement Policy Was Better Than Trump’s ​

The Democratic president’s immigration enforcement approach prioritized the deportation of felons and security threats. Trump junked it, giving us legal chaos, fewer deportations, and less safety than under Obama.

Bill Clinton deported 12.3 million, George W. Bush 10.3 million, and Barack Obama 5.3 million in their eight-year administrations. Joe Biden racked up 4 million. Trump’s first term? 1.9 million, and another 207,000 so far this year.

Of course, these immigration deportation numbers don’t tell the whole story of each president’s record. But they indicate that Trump’s indiscriminate cruelty and disinterest in human rights is not the best way to deport the masses that his MAGA base wants, nor what most everyone else wants—an immigration policy prioritizing the removal of criminals, not immigrants who came to work and have only committed a misdemeanor by being undocumented.
 
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