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It's just for the core classes. If you can get the same classes done for a lot less money and then transfer after two years it's a good deal.
It can be a good deal. It can also end with students struggling in higher level classes because the standards for those core classes at a community college may not be as rigorous as those for a 4 year school. Saving $40k in the first two years is great, but is that worth graduating near the bottom of your major’s class and being more or less invisible to the faculty who are serving as references and writing recommendations?
 
Yep. I think their customer base has shifted dramatically. Less kids going to college and less desire for the liberal arts education And just less desire overall for things like single sex education and HBCUs. Also less desire for the bills that come with the private school education.

St Mary's in Raleigh is looking brilliant right now. They went from an all-girls fr/so college combined with 11-12 th grades to an all girls high school with a boarding school component and they are growing. Peace and Meredith are struggling with enrollment.

All that being said, Davidson, Elon and High Point are doing very well. They've been fundraising like mad to improve amenities and make sure the endowment is in good shape.
Davidson, Elon, and High Point are in a different tier from most small private colleges in NC. Davidson is an elite liberal arts college that's been ranked among the Top 10 small liberal arts colleges in the entire nation for decades, and has a well-to-do alumni base to draw on for support. Elon and HPU also have a huge fundraising and recruiting advantage over most small NC colleges and universities, and much larger endowments than they do. I'm talking more about schools like Guilford, Salem, Mount Olive, Mars Hill, Brevard, Wingate, Lenior-Rhyne, Greensboro College, Lees-McRae, and so on. Some of those types of colleges are likely going to fold within the next couple of decades, and even earlier if the economy has a serious dip. They simply lack large endowments to ride out declining enrollment, the resources to widely recruit, and the first-class facilities and/or academic reputations to seriously compete in a shrinking pool of eligible students. And the headwinds are only going to get worse for them in future years.
 
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So apparently in the future if you want to know or verify reality you will need an AI subscription like cable or streaming to determine if your thoughts are legitimate? Encyclopedia Britannica will be like lost sandscrit scrolls! Hell the Foxfire series will become too expensive to own.
I’m starting to think natural stupidity should have been fixed prior to artificial intelligence? Our brains already created bombs that can destroy mankind what could go wrong with that?
 
It can be a good deal. It can also end with students struggling in higher level classes because the standards for those core classes at a community college may not be as rigorous as those for a 4 year school. Saving $40k in the first two years is great, but is that worth graduating near the bottom of your major’s class and being more or less invisible to the faculty who are serving as references and writing recommendations?
I believe that depends on the person and the major.

I work with people from every level of college. We have directors making $200k that didn't go to major colleges. But they are not doctors, so the degree is a factor.

I agree with CF. I can't see English 101 being that different between a university and any other level of college.

And in my intro to compsci classes at tech, there are 300 students per session, 95% didn't know the professor and only a few more really knew the TAs.
 
Davidson, Elon, and High Point are in a different tier from most small private colleges in NC. Davidson is an elite liberal arts college that's been ranked among the Top 10 small liberal arts colleges in the entire nation for decades, and has a well-to-do alumni base to draw on for support. Elon and HPU also have a huge fundraising and recruiting advantage over most small NC colleges and universities, and much larger endowments than they do. I'm talking more about schools like Guilford, Salem, Mount Olive, Mars Hill, Brevard, Wingate, Lenior-Rhyne, Greensboro College, Lees-McRae, and so on. Some of those types of colleges are likely going to fold within the next couple of decades, and even earlier if the economy has a serious dip. They simply lack large endowments to ride out declining enrollment, the resources to widely recruit, and the first-class facilities and/or academic reputations to seriously compete in a shrinking pool of eligible students. And the headwinds are only going to get worse for them in future years.
You're right that Davidson, Elon and high Point are in a different tier, but Elon in high Point weren't 30 or 40 years ago. Elon and high Point have been doing the hard work of fundraising for decades which is why they are not in the same situation as some of their brethren.
 
I believe that depends on the person and the major.

I work with people from every level of college. We have directors making $200k that didn't go to major colleges. But they are not doctors, so the degree is a factor.

I agree with CF. I can't see English 101 being that different between a university and any other level of college.

And in my intro to compsci classes at tech, there are 300 students per session, 95% didn't know the professor and only a few more really knew the TAs.
I don’t see how you can make such a statement after the slightest critical thought is applied. You’re essentially saying either that the instructional quality of the faculty and the background and abilities of the students is the same everywhere or that neither of those things matters with respect to what a student will get out of a given class.
 
I don’t see how you can make such a statement after the slightest critical thought is applied. You’re essentially saying either that the instructional quality of the faculty and the background and abilities of the students is the same everywhere or that neither of those things matters with respect to what a student will get out of a given class.
That wasn't what I was trying to say.

I understand there are many variables. Especially the student and faculty. I realize that different students get different results from the same class.

My point was that there are some classes that in general people can get the same results from taking the class at different levels of college. But it's not a blanket statement that everything is equal, because there are other factors.

The course i mentioned, intro to computer science was a freshman level class that was so basic i can't define where I benefited in taking that class at Tech vs a community college. This course had 1500 students 8 sessions. It wasn't an intimate class where one gets to know the professor.

Now Compiler design or Database architecture, I fell that I got more taking those at Tech.

If you still disagree give me an example of a core freshman class to help me understand your point and the reasoning.
 
It can be a good deal. It can also end with students struggling in higher level classes because the standards for those core classes at a community college may not be as rigorous as those for a 4 year school. Saving $40k in the first two years is great, but is that worth graduating near the bottom of your major’s class and being more or less invisible to the faculty who are serving as references and writing recommendations?
I didn't disagree with your statement. I just believe there are cases where it's worth the savings and wouldn't impact your later classes.
 
That wasn't what I was trying to say.

I understand there are many variables. Especially the student and faculty. I realize that different students get different results from the same class.

My point was that there are some classes that in general people can get the same results from taking the class at different levels of college. But it's not a blanket statement that everything is equal, because there are other factors.

The course i mentioned, intro to computer science was a freshman level class that was so basic i can't define where I benefited in taking that class at Tech vs a community college. This course had 1500 students 8 sessions. It wasn't an intimate class where one gets to know the professor.

Now Compiler design or Database architecture, I fell that I got more taking those at Tech.

If you still disagree give me an example of a core freshman class to help me understand your point and the reasoning.
I felt this way about a lot of 100 and 200 level STEM classes I took at UNC. The class sizes were massive and usually felt impersonal unless you really made an effort to attend a bunch of TA office hours, which I did not lol. You would probably learn the same concepts taking the equivalent classes at “lesser” schools. I think the difference is that the testing/grading at UNC was probably harsher as a way of weeding people out of certain major tracks.

I feel like the upper level courses are where higher caliber universities separate themselves. Once I got into smaller class sizes it didn’t feel nearly as cutthroat and i was more comfortable immersing myself in actually learning the material instead of worrying about surviving midterms.
 
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