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I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
 
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He's not a drifter. That's just the weave. TBH, it's genius.

I don't take it personally, but it is designed to defeat you in any way it can find. I certainly understand that part. The reality is worse as Monday approaches. Sad because it's been a deluge of dung since the election (and I've largely tuned it out).
 
GeeWhy said:
He's not a drifter. That's just the weave. TBH, it's genius.

I don't take it personally, but it is designed to defeat you in any way it can find. I certainly understand that part. The reality is worse as Monday approaches. Sad because it's been a deluge of dung since the election (and I've largely tuned it out).
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Sorry, I meant grifter. I think autocorrect got me.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
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They intend to communicate that message to you in their Trump support, so I think it's right to interpret it that way. And to be honest, I don't think they are all that subtle about it. I mean, being gay puts you in their crosshairs and magnifies the issue, but obviously it goes deeper.

We are now living through a "n***** lover" phase of American politics. And you can see that because nothing gets our right-wingers more agitated than DEI, or CRT, or whatever other abbreviations they throw around like Grover's alphabet soup. It's in their hostility to all things trans.

It's not as if they don't understand the impact it has on you. They know it, and they love it. Every single right-winger or troll on this board has expressed a sentiment similar to the "Buckle up buttercup, enjoy the next four years" we saw from our newest, particularly noxious troglodyte. Every single right-winger and troll on this board has at one point expressed that *we* -- that is, people who care about dignity and empathy -- are why Trump won.

One of the lessons from Trump v 1.0 that hasn't gotten as much discussion recently but soon will: the cruelty is the point with these people. Family separation was a feature, not a bug. That people were drowning in the razor wire dragged across a river was a feature for them, not a bug. Kristi Noem bragged about killing her dog in a book as an audition for a spot at DHS -- the killing of the dog representing her commitment to kill Mexicans if necessary.

MAGA and decency go together like oil and water. So if you are a person who values decency and will stand up for that value, yes they will hate you. I came to terms with being hated by those people a long time ago. It's probably harder for you to do that, given that you live ( I think) in a heavily MAGA area and value your community. Alas. Just remember: they hate you because you are, generally speaking, a good person. They hate you because you have values and principles, and those values and principles prevent you from joining their mob.

Remember: in MAGA world, Atticus Finch is a villain, not a hero. And if you don't go along with that line, they will lash out at you just as they always have at N* lovers.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
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I am an older white american Male with sufficient retitrement funds to do fine the next few years
I am trying hard to ignore all these yahoos...Thats all I got. When they start drigging brown babies around and locking them up on TV..I may change my outlook
 
mpaer said:
I am an older white american Male with sufficient retitrement funds to do fine the next few years
I am trying hard to ignore all these yahoos...Thats all I got. When they start drigging brown babies around and locking them up on TV..I may change my outlook
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Ill be fine as long as I keep my mouth shut and go along to get along. I'm just doubtful about the competition that poses for my sanity.
 
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They intend to communicate that message to you in their Trump support, so I think it's right to interpret it that way. And to be honest, I don't think they are all that subtle about it. I mean, being gay puts you in their crosshairs and magnifies the issue, but obviously it goes deeper.

We are now living through a "n***** lover" phase of American politics. And you can see that because nothing gets our right-wingers more agitated than DEI, or CRT, or whatever other abbreviations they throw around like Grover's alphabet soup. It's in their hostility to all things trans.

It's not as if they don't understand the impact it has on you. They know it, and they love it. Every single right-winger or troll on this board has expressed a sentiment similar to the "Buckle up buttercup, enjoy the next four years" we saw from our newest, particularly noxious troglodyte. Every single right-winger and troll on this board has at one point expressed that *we* -- that is, people who care about dignity and empathy -- are why Trump won.

One of the lessons from Trump v 1.0 that hasn't gotten as much discussion recently but soon will: the cruelty is the point with these people. Family separation was a feature, not a bug. That people were drowning in the razor wire dragged across a river was a feature for them, not a bug. Kristi Noem bragged about killing her dog in a book as an audition for a spot at DHS -- the killing of the dog representing her commitment to kill Mexicans if necessary.

MAGA and decency go together like oil and water. So if you are a person who values decency and will stand up for that value, yes they will hate you. I came to terms with being hated by those people a long time ago. It's probably harder for you to do that, given that you live ( I think) in a heavily MAGA area and value your community. Alas. Just remember: they hate you because you are, generally speaking, a good person. They hate you because you have values and principles, and those values and principles prevent you from joining their mob.

Remember: in MAGA world, Atticus Finch is a villain, not a hero. And if you don't go along with that line, they will lash out at you just as they always have at N* lovers.
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It's all about making the country only for straight white Christian nationalists that are really modern day Pharisees instead of followers of Jesus. They lost their minds and got so scared when a man of color was elected President twice that they don't even care how terrible of a person Trump is as long as he represents the country they really want. Even if things are terrible for them they could always say in the past at least they are still better than blacks and gays and trans and Mexicans and Muslims, etc. But once the country elected Obama and were trying to move to others besides straight white Christian nationalists being equals they got terrified of losing their power and privilege of just being a straight white Christian. And if anyone tells you it's not that and it's about policies they are either lying or plain stupid if they think Trump's policies will make anything better for the majority of Americans.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
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Yes to everything in your post. I cannot muster up an ounce of respect or compassion for anyone that voted for Trump.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
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Missing the point completely. Has nothing to do with trump. Trump is just the vehicle. People are happy the border is going to be secured. People are happy the cancer of DEI is being removed. People are happy wokeness is being purged from the military.
 
mpaer said:
I don't get this
When I grew up in the 1960s UNCH was white Males pretty much Various iterations of what you would call DEI has led to today-where we are a pretty diverse male-female-black-brown etc..
Do you not like that?
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No, they don't. They hate how diverse American society has become and want to roll it all back to something like The Andy Griffith Show - all white, friendly, nice, smiling small-town people who were like-minded on pretty much everything. Women will give up their careers and college degrees and go back to raising kids and happily being subordinate to men, and minorities will either disappear from public view (like LGBTQ people) or will be forced to accept their "proper place" in the order of things. That's what they want. I don't think they'll get it as we're already far too diverse for that to work, but that's what they want.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No, they don't. They hate how diverse American society has become and want to roll it all back to something like The Andy Griffith Show - all white, friendly, nice, smiling small-town people who were like-minded on pretty much everything. Women will give up their careers and college degrees and go back to raising kids and happily being subordinate to men, and minorities will either disappear from public view (like LGBTQ people) or will be forced to accept their "proper place" in the order of things. That's what they want. I don't think they'll get it as we're already far too diverse for that to work, but that's what they want.
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Until Call responds I assume this
 
Callatoroy said:
Missing the point completely. Has nothing to do with trump. Trump is just the vehicle. People are happy the border is going to be secured. People are happy the cancer of DEI is being removed. People are happy wokeness is being purged from the military.
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This is a bald faced lie. People ADORE Donald Trump. It's ALL Trump. He could declare that the borders were open tomorrow via executive order and every single person with a Trump flag in their yard would cheer it on. I don't know what it takes for you to recognize a cult but I do know that you're entirely blind to it with Donald Trump.
 
mpaer said:
I don't get this
When I grew up in the 1960s UNCH was white Males pretty much Various iterations of what you would call DEI has led to today-where we are a pretty diverse male-female-black-brown etc..
Do you not like that?
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Diversity? Yes. Equity? No. Identity politics is divisive and anti American. There will always be inequity in everything we do. It is especially corrosive in the military. Many, many institutions are doing away with their DEI programs because it drives division. UNC ended their DEI efforts.
 
Callatoroy said:
Diversity? Yes. Equity? No. Identity politics is divisive and anti American. There will always be inequity in everything we do. It is especially corrosive in the military. Many, many institutions are doing away with their DEI programs because it drives division. UNC ended their DEI efforts.
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I agree that identity politics are divisive. Why do the Evangelicals and other Republicans rely on it so much? They are a coalition of special interest splinter groups wrapped into a bundle. As the English would say, "What a bunch of fagots."
 
wmheel1287 said:
I find myself hugely depressed by the overall tenor of our society and unsurprisingly that is reaching a crescendo as the inauguration nears. Im not depressed by Donald Trump. He's a performer and a grifter. He's not very different from a PT Barnum or Jerry Springer.

I am constantly blown away however by the number of people who truly embrace him, that persona, and the worst aspects of his public presence. It feels terribly personal to me in ways that I find it hard to express. It's become this weird internal equation that if they love those things in a person then they are bound to hate me. I dont know how to shake that relationship in my mind.

Is this common? Do others feel like this?

I recognize this is probably a lot of narcissism on my part as well.
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I pray on it a lot. It’s hard to love someone you see making a mockery out of the country and people you love and respect.
 
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