Tariffs Catch-All

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nycfan said:
We are moving toward a patchwork of tariffs on things the working class and poor buy to partially fund income tax cuts that will mostly benefit the upper class and wealthy — then fund the difference with debt with rising interest costs, choking off government funds available for services to the people who will bear the disproportionate burden (as a percentage of income) of the tariffs.
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Sounds like Peron, except Peron gave government jobs to the working class for mollification. Musk is cutting them.
 
Not sure the exemptions will be much of a catalyst for companies to bring manufacturing back to the US.

Now that Trump has fully exposed his limited tolerance for pain, are other nations likely to negotiate deals favorable to the US?
 
altmin said:
www.theguardian.com

‘I’m super worried’: fewer UK tourists visiting US amid Trump’s policies and rhetoric

Number of Brits crossing Atlantic down 14.3% from 2024 – and the travel industry fears decline could continue
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I don't know much about work visa rules, but it seems that Canada recognized the potential issue.

Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
www.theguardian.com

I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre

Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know much about work visa rules, but it seems that Canada recognized the potential issue.

Within hours of posting that drawing, Burke got to see a much darker side of life in America, and far more than a glimpse. When she tried to cross into Canada, Canadian border officials told her that her living arrangements meant she should be travelling on a work visa, not a tourist one. They sent her back to the US, where American officials classed her as an illegal alien. She was shackled and transported to an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detention centre, where she was locked up for 19 days – even though she had money to pay for a flight home, and was desperate to leave the US.
www.theguardian.com

I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre

Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Under American law, using a tourist visa for those purposes is perfectly legal. Maybe there was some other detail she wasn't telling us, but it's much more likely that ICE was just acting lawlessly.

I do not know anything about Canadian immigration law, so I do not know if the Canadians acted properly there or not.

Notice the Canadians who "recognize the potential issue" did not feel the need to throw the woman into a cell. It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.
 
superrific said:
Under American law, using a tourist visa for those purposes is perfectly legal. Maybe there was some other detail she wasn't telling us, but it's much more likely that ICE was just acting lawlessly.

I do not know anything about Canadian immigration law, so I do not know if the Canadians acted properly there or not.

Notice the Canadians who "recognize the potential issue" did not feel the need to throw the woman into a cell. It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.
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On one hand, you acknowledge there are things we don't know, but then state, definitively, that ICE is behaving illegally.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection did not comment specifically on Burke's case but noted that individuals traveling under the Visa Waiver Program are prohibited from working for any type of compensation, including work in exchange for room and board.

Burke's Instagram account indicated her participation in Workaway, a cultural exchange program where participants help for about five hours a day in exchange for food and accommodation.

www.fox13seattle.com

British cartoonist locked up in Tacoma ICE detention center removed from US

Rebecca Burke, a 28-year-old British cartoonist, was removed from the United States on Tuesday after being detained for nearly 3 weeks for violating visa terms during her backpacking trip.
www.fox13seattle.com www.fox13seattle.com
 
ZenMode said:
On one hand, you acknowledge there are things we don't know, but then state, definitively, that ICE is behaving illegally.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection did not comment specifically on Burke's case but noted that individuals traveling under the Visa Waiver Program are prohibited from working for any type of compensation, including work in exchange for room and board.
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1. I didn't state definitively that ICE is behaving illegally. In fact, I stated the opposite.
2. The reason I doubt CBP is that it lies. For instance: I just read every single statutory provision and regulation pertaining to the Visa Waiver Program, and none of them said what ICE says. In fact, the regulations specifically state the opposite: that work is defined in terms of displacing any domestic worker, which would not plausibly be the case unless there are people out there who would hire domestic workers but instead rely on a steady stream of ETSA visitors.

So whatever. I don't believe anything Trump says. For CBP, I will at least check to see if it's true. I see no regulation or statute or any source of law that addresses this situation.
 
superrific said:
1. I didn't state definitively that ICE is behaving illegally. In fact, I stated the opposite.
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It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.

Again, even Canada saw the issue...

superrific said:
2. The reason I doubt CBP is that it lies. For instance: I just read every single statutory provision and regulation pertaining to the Visa Waiver Program, and none of them said what ICE says. In fact, the regulations specifically state the opposite: that work is defined in terms of displacing any domestic worker, which would not plausibly be the case unless there are people out there who would hire domestic workers but instead rely on a steady stream of ETSA visitors.
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It's a question of interpretation?
superrific said:
So whatever. I don't believe anything Trump says. For CBP, I will at least check to see if it's true. I see no regulation or statute or any source of law that addresses this situation.
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I don't think Trump said anything related to the situation.
 
ZenMode said:
It's sad that you JCD such unnecessary (and illegal) detentions.

Again, even Canada saw the issue...

It's a question of interpretation?

I don't think Trump said anything related to the situation.
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1. I was saying I don't trust Trump about anything, not about this.
2. Whether or not the woman was in the US legally, there was no fucking reason to detain her. She had her trip home -- just let her leave. Why should she be thrown in a cell for three weeks?
3. I didn't see any interpretive rule either. And interpretive rules are not laws.
4. Too bad for CBP that Chevron got overturned. Its interpretations of law are no longer afforded deference, and laws should be interpreted per their ordinary meanings.

At best, you could say that CBP was asserting a principle with a shaky foundation. At best. The most natural reading of the language goes the other way. Here's the regulation

"A nonimmigrant in the United States in a class defined in section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Act as a temporary visitor for pleasure, or section 101(a)(15)(C) of the Act as an alien in transit through this country, may not engage in any employment."

Would you call "cleaning up the house when staying there" employment? I would not. I don't think anyone would. I certainly have never seen a definition of employment anywhere else in the law to refer to an informal situation where a person provides services to another person free of charge and not on a regular basis.

That's the regulation. You can believe the liars at CBP, or you can believe what you read.
 
superrific said:
So we're going to tariff a bunch of stuff we can't make and don't want to make. We're not tariffing the stuff that we want to make, and sorta can make (especially if they would lean into instead of away from the CHIPS act and build capacity).

Stable genius!
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Just more evidence he has no clue.
 
So tariffs and reshoring US manuf are sort of the Trump 2.0 version of the constant Infrastructure Weeks of Trump 1.0. Except a lot more damaging. Whatever you want to say about Obama and Biden, they actually got infranstructure built and Biden got manuf facilities under contstruction,.
 
superrific said:
1. I was saying I don't trust Trump about anything, not about this.
2. Whether or not the woman was in the US legally, there was no fucking reason to detain her. She had her trip home -- just let her leave. Why should she be thrown in a cell for three weeks?
3. I didn't see any interpretive rule either. And interpretive rules are not laws.
4. Too bad for CBP that Chevron got overturned. Its interpretations of law are no longer afforded deference, and laws should be interpreted per their ordinary meanings.

At best, you could say that CBP was asserting a principle with a shaky foundation. At best. The most natural reading of the language goes the other way. Here's the regulation

"A nonimmigrant in the United States in a class defined in section 101(a)(15)(B) of the Act as a temporary visitor for pleasure, or section 101(a)(15)(C) of the Act as an alien in transit through this country, may not engage in any employment."

Would you call "cleaning up the house when staying there" employment? I would not. I don't think anyone would. I certainly have never seen a definition of employment anywhere else in the law to refer to an informal situation where a person provides services to another person free of charge and not on a regular basis.

That's the regulation. You can believe the liars at CBP, or you can believe what you read.
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Without knowing any details, nearly 3 weeks seems like a long time. Law enforcement likes to make things as difficult and painful as possible, but that seems excessive unless there are circumstances that we aren't aware of.

Her downfall was that she was using an app that was designed specifically to do work in exchange for free housing. That, to me, seems like you are working and being compensated, which certainly seems to be in violation of the law.
 
ZenMode said:
Without knowing any details, nearly 3 weeks seems like a long time. Law enforcement likes to make things as difficult and painful as possible, but that seems excessive unless there are circumstances that we aren't aware of.

Her downfall was that she was using an app that was designed specifically to do work in exchange for free housing. That, to me, seems like you are working and being compensated, which certainly seems to be in violation of the law.
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You consider barter to be compensation for work and deserving of arrest? Wow.
 
So I may be out there and if I am please correct me, but I am beginning to think that this whole tariff/no tariff thing is a grand ploy to front run and profit off of the moves.

If this is the case, they could do another loop at it.
 
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