Texas approves curriculum allowing Bible-based teachings in public grade schools

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In another article:
"Opponents have pointed to specific passages with which they take issue, including a lengthy reading lesson in a kindergarten unit in which the material shows pieces of art centering on the theme of creation and quotes from the Bible's book of Genesis."

This is not about teaching the historicity of the bible. Its about indoctrinating young children with Christian iconography plain and simple. They want the art projects to depict images from the Genesis account of creation?? That's mind-numbingly dumb and completely anti-science.
 
UNCatTech said:
We know the difference.
I've always said that I have no problem with a world religions class or other class that teach about religions.

But this isn't about "religions" it's teaching from the bible, that pretty much limits it to indoctrination of one religion.

Then from the article: Developed by the Texas Education Agency earlier this year, the curriculum introduces Bible-based lessons, such as the Golden Rule, and stories from books like Genesis into classrooms. While adopting the curriculum is optional, schools implementing it will receive additional funding.

So they are going to bribe schools to adopt this, with additional funding? Wow.

They don't follow the golden rule, that's clear, how can they teach it and from a bible perspective?


I have a personal bias here because going into 7th grade in public school my electives were photography and introduction to computing. My parents decided to send me to an Independent Baptist Christian school where my electives became Bible. It really derailed my academic pathway and probably cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential earnings. And yes, I probably need therapy as it still bothers me to this day.
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If that's what happening, there's no way it's constitutional. Someone will sue and hopefully win. Otherwise, Ted Cruz is pushing for big school choices legislation in TX. I hope parents pull their kids out of public schools.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
In another article:
"Opponents have pointed to specific passages with which they take issue, including a lengthy reading lesson in a kindergarten unit in which the material shows pieces of art centering on the theme of creation and quotes from the Bible's book of Genesis."

This is not about teaching the historicity of the bible. Its about indoctrinating young children with Christian iconography plain and simple. They want the art projects to depict images from the Genesis account of creation?? That's mind-numbingly dumb and completely anti-science.
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Milk and Cookies said:
In another article:
"Opponents have pointed to specific passages with which they take issue, including a lengthy reading lesson in a kindergarten unit in which the material shows pieces of art centering on the theme of creation and quotes from the Bible's book of Genesis."

This is not about teaching the historicity of the bible. Its about indoctrinating young children with Christian iconography plain and simple. They want the art projects to depict images from the Genesis account of creation?? That's mind-numbingly dumb and completely anti-science.
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Which version of the Creation? There's two in Genesis.
 
Something that is not being addressed, which should be, is that schools who do incorporate this kind of instruction are going to be given additional funding. In a time when schools are severely over budget, this will be a way for them to gain additional, needed, funding. Will this funding be taken from other schools? Dangling this carrot is crazy.
 
finesse said:
  • Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it"
There's a few of us who disprove this but it's what they are shooting for.
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I have no problem with Proverbs 22:6. But that is a job for parents rather than public schools. And there is a reason, I suspect, for selecting years K - 5. Children in those grades are considered to be within what some call the formative years. And you can safely bet your sweet-ass that TX is not thinking of teaching comparative religion in grades K - 5.
 
finesse said:
  • Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it"
There's a few of us who disprove this but it's what they are shooting for.
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Bingo. Since more and more people aren't going to church anymore, conservative Christians are just going to use public schools to indoctrinate kids now. I think it will likely backfire and lead to even greater drops in church attendance, but they're going to push it to the limit. If parents aren't willing to take their kids to Sunday School for religious indoctrination, they'll just bring Sunday School to public school. And so here we go.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Something that is not being addressed, which should be, is that schools who do incorporate this kind of instruction are going to be given additional funding. In a time when schools are severely over budget, this will be a way for them to gain additional, needed, funding. Will this funding be taken from other schools? Dangling this carrot is crazy.
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Yeah, I found that particularly troubling. At a time when they’re threatening to tear down the department of education, they’re passing out money for indoctrinating your children.
 
Bobfripp said:
Tony was mostly an ARP guy, IIRC
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**Off-Topic Disclaimer**

I see what you did there...and you're right - at least, in the 70s and early 80s. But he used a wide variety of synths throughout Genesis' run and he tended to experiment with whatever cutting-edge synths were available at the time. Among the ARP models he used were the Pro Soloist (Robbery, Assault, & Battery, In The Cage, Riding The Scree, The Colony Of Slippermen, The Cinema Show, Los Endos, Squonk, Firth of Fifth) and the badassed ARP Quadra (ABACAB, Mama, most of the tracks on And Then There Were Three and Duke). He took the versatile Quadra on tour until the Invisible Touch tour, where it was replaced by the EMU Emulator II and the Yamaha DX7 (and TX-816 - the rack model). The signature Tony Banks synth pad was made from the SS Prophet 5/10, which he took on tour for ATTWT, Duke, Abacab, and Mama. With the advent of We Can't Dance, he added a couple of Korg synths and one Roland synth to the lineup. I actually own the same model of two of the synths he used and one of the electric pianos - the Korg Wavestation EX, the RMI Electra-Piano 368x, and the Roland JD-800. The Wavestation is a favorite of his (and mine) and he took it on tour with him from 1992 until Genesis' final concert runs in 2020. The RMI was used extensively on The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (and also by Rick Wakeman on Yes' earlier albums). Notably, he only used a Moog for the Follow You, Follow Me solo on the album and to my knowledge, never used any Kurzweil or Oberheim synthesizers.

But I digress 🎉 :LOL:

(Fun Fact: RMI stands for Rocky Mount Instruments and was a division of the Allen Organ Company located in - you guessed it - Rocky Mount, NC until 1982)
 
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Milk and Cookies said:
In K thru 5th???
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This. Kids this age are not going to digest much if any historical, philosophical or any other academic content (or bullshit to some). They will be taught about Noah and animals, golden calves, jesus rsing from the dead and take it as gospel. Doubt they will be taught any of the truly salacious stuff.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Bingo. Since more and more people aren't going to church anymore, conservative Christians are just going to use public schools to indoctrinate kids now. I think it will likely backfire and lead to even greater drops in church attendance, but they're going to push it to the limit. If parents aren't willing to take their kids to Sunday School for religious indoctrination, they'll just bring Sunday School to public school. And so here we go.
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How long before a red state hatches a scheme to divert public funds to Sunday schools? :)
 
grimes70 said:
This. Kids this age are not going to digest much if any historical, philosophical or any other academic content (or bullshit to some). They will be taught about Noah and animals, golden calves, jesus rsing from the dead and take it as gospel. Doubt they will be taught any of the truly salacious stuff.
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Exactly, and the indoctrination will begin.
 
UNCatTech said:
Exactly, and the indoctrination will begin.
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Oh, yeah. They're not going to examine the Bible in any historical or critical thinking context. It will likely be similar to a Southern Baptist Sunday School class for kids. I remember as a kid seeing those glossy Sunday School lesson books for kids with feel-good Bible stories and colorful illustrations. One Sunday lesson from the book I've always remembered for some reason was about Joshua bringing down the walls of Jericho. The story we were told was that the moral was that if you have enough faith in God that good things will happen, and there was an illustration of Joshua laughing and looking happy after taking the city.

What the story we were taught missed was that after the walls came down Joshua and his men entered the city and deliberately slaughtered every single man, woman, and child. Even the farm animals were killed. Ironically, only a prostitute and her family was spared because they had helped Joshua and his army take the city. Of course we were spared all of those details, instead it was just a feel-good story about Joshua's great victory with God's help. I'm sure that these Texas public school classes for elementary school kids will likely be something similar.
 
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Anyone have any idea what could happen if a teacher, at a school that adopts this curriculum, refuses to teach it, citing it being against their religious beliefs?
 
stankeylegjones said:
Anyone have any idea what could happen if a teacher, at a school that adopts this curriculum, refuses to teach it, citing it being against their religious beliefs?
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I assume this is an added benefit of the land grab to build detention/internment centers for deporting immigrants. That’s happening in Texas, no? It’s only a small leap to include political enemies.
 
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