The Charlie Kirk Thread

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I’m pretty sure even Ram knows the rending of clothes and pouring of ashes over Kirk’s death has gotten to be more than a little weird.
I dunno, man. Ram thinks it's perfectly normal for a family to form a circle at Thanksgiving dinner and do the "Trump dance" with a life-size cardboard cutout of Dear Leader present. He seems all in on the veneration of MAGA political figures.
 
Because Trump is in power — so this is a leverage point while law enforcement supports these activities rather than looming over them in a threatening/escalatory posture. In contrast, when Trump was going out of power, J6 happened.

People with nothing or a lot less to lose tend to behave very differently than people with something to protect — a human behavior frequently exploited by authoritarian forces.

It is always easier for the people whose political and economic interests are represented by the government in power to engage in peaceful protest and to leverage their political standing for good and ill.

People out of power tend to meet resistance in peaceful protest, which in turn empowers the more radical voices of protest toward escalation and violence, which in turn creates a lot of space for more violent actors to take advantage and in turn leads to more forceful response etc.

I tend to agree that violence of George Floyd protests tended to be understated but that happened as a reflex to all protests being painted as violent and overstatement of the extent of some of the violence. But a portion of the violence of the Floyd protests was instigated or inflamed by counter protesters and anarchic/criminal actors exploiting the situation. Unfortunately, there were too many people on both sides who waded into those protests looking for a fight, eager to light a match in a powder keg.

A LOT of the people who defaced property and other violent actors were liberal protesters for sure, but far from all. And even the most violent events were far more contained than conservatives continue to pretend. Seattle was not occupied but a large park and surrounding blocks were. No American city was burned to the ground or even close to it. Even a drum fire in an urban protest makes for startling imagery but that is still isolated.

And there were some cases that were astonishing, like the police station siege in Seattle. That was not a city-wide incident and not unlike some far right sieges of federal property in protests in more rural settings.
Ram and others like to pretend that we don't know these things happen or worse that we condone them, WE DO NOT CONDONE THE VIOLENCE.

Then they treat to make themselves feel better for voting in a worthless peeve of shit by pretending that THEIR SIDE is perfect and never does anything wrong.

No one, no side, is perfect we are all just trying to live life and get through the obstacles that occur naturally. We don't need the introduction of unneeded artifical obstacles, in the name of worshipping their current God man.
 
I'm holding out hope for Calla. He seems to be where I was (and where I suspect CFord and a few others here were) around 2013-14. You eventually realize you're sick and tired of stretching all limits of logic and morality to defend your team at all costs. And when you open your mind to the idea that the other team may have better ideas (and better morals) than yours, the shift can happen quickly. Some people will never open their minds to that possibility. I fear Ram may be in that camp. But I don't think it's fait accompli for all of them.
Nailed it. That was me back in the Obama years.
 


Lolololol damn!!!

Anybody that thinks that Trump has ever given a damn about Charlie Kirk is fooling themselves. Anybody who has studied his personal history would know that he's largely incapable of empathy for anyone. He'll go to this funeral, gladly accept the applause of the crowd, try to look like he's actually sad, will probably doze during many of the speeches that he doesn't give himself, and will leave the funeral and forget all about Charlie as soon as he's on Air Force One eating his KFC or whatever fast food they got him to munch on during the flight home. I do wonder (fear?) what kind of overheated rhetoric we're going to get at this funeral, though. Will it be dignified and nonpartisan, or just filled with promises of revenge and retribution for Saint Kirk's death? Given all that we've seen from this crew and Kirk's wife's speech I'm not holding my breath.
 
I'm holding out hope for Calla. He seems to be where I was (and where I suspect CFord and a few others here were) around 2013-14. You eventually realize you're sick and tired of stretching all limits of logic and morality to defend your team at all costs. And when you open your mind to the idea that the other team may have better ideas (and better morals) than yours, the shift can happen quickly. Some people will never open their minds to that possibility. I fear Ram may be in that camp. But I don't think it's fait accompli for all of them.
Calla seems like a good guy.

I've tried to make a point not to say certain things when responding to him because he once pointed out that it wasn't conducive to conversation.

It's still hard to have a real conversation posting on message boards. I bet in real life we would get along. Though we may have to avoid certain topics.
 
Do you reference his racism, bigotry, homophobia or his sexism?
That's probably the context. References like: "Did you see the clip of CK telling the welfare queen off? and the other one where he told that girl she was too ugly to get pregnant and that there were consequences to premarital sex? Man, that CK kicks some ass."
 
Yes. His perfect little group is a myth. Every group is a spectrum of people from peaceful to violent, the magas are no different.

I didn't see him respond that the maga idiot that spit on my wife's car and his toothless wife that threatened to beat her ass were wrong. He just pretends those things are not happening.

Then he pretends that the response to Floyd's death was equal to the worship we are seeing for Kirk. They even refer to him as CK like they are best palls. Every clip have watched of Kirk he is divisive and belittling and doesn't accept anyone who doesn't believe exactly as he does. That's not this wonderful Christian leader they lie and say he is. The words in the Bible attributed to Jesus were to bring people together, different people, Kirk didn't want any differences he only wanted to bring together the minions that would worship his every word.

Isn't there a commandment about worshipping other gods, the right is ignoring that in their worship of trump and now Kirk.
Obviously I don’t support the toothless meth heads spitting on your wife’s car. I hope they suffer the appropriate legal consequences.

You need to watch more of Kirk’s clips.
 
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