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I wouldn't put too much stock in the American flag imagery. As we know, the American flag is a symbol with many, many meanings and uses.
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Kirk’s Christian Supporters Mourn Him as a Martyr
“Charlie died for what he believed in,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, a pastor in Oklahoma.
Charlie Kirk’s Christian Supporters Mourn Him as a Martyr
“Charlie died for what he believed in,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, a pastor in Oklahoma.
“… Intercessors for America, a Christian group with ties to the Trump administration, emailed supporters on Wednesday night with a suggested prayer in response to Mr. Kirk’s death. The subject line referred to “Charlie Kirk, a modern day MLK.”
… Mr. Kirk began his career as a secular provocateur. He said little about the role of religion in American politics in his early years as an activist.
That started to change during the Covid pandemic, he told The New York Times this year. He was disappointed in church leaders who failed to speak up against lockdowns, he said, and began reading and asking larger questions about the idea of shared morality.
Mr. Kirk emerged from the pandemic, and from Mr. Trump’s defeat in the 2020 election, ready to evangelize for more than political causes and candidates. In 2021, he founded TPUSA Faith to influence pastors and other Christians to “counter falsehoods and illuminate the inextricable link between faith and God-given liberty.” He hosted monthly events at a large evangelical megachurch in Arizona and spoke regularly in personal terms about his own faith.
… To many conservative Christians, his death was a sign that the spiritual battle they had been fighting was far from over.
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“Jesus told us this would happen,” said Shane Winnings, who heads Promise Keepers, an evangelical men’s organization that has leaned into partisan politics under his leadership. “There’s a real spiritual war going on.”
Mr. Kirk spoke at a Promise Keepers event in Oklahoma last year and invited Mr. Winnings to speak at several of his own gatherings.
Within hours of Mr. Kirk’s death, Mr. Winnings and other conservative Christian leaders were speaking of the event as a demarcation in the nation’s history, one that would lead only to the strengthening of the religious movement Mr. Kirk embodied.
“When Jesus was killed and then rose from the dead and visited the disciples and he ascended, they moved forward and they spawned the early church,” Mr. Winnings said. “I am more filled with determination than ever to continue the mission that I’m on.”…”
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It’s easy for mentally-unstable lunatics like Loomer to make threatening/foreboding threats from behind the comfort of a keyboard and a security detail. People like her, and the vast majority of the losers on the right, would fold like cheap tents at the very first prospect of violence.
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a clown who is a popular, influential and powerful right wing voice.
Tar1978Heel
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Nothing went over my head dipshit…I asked a ? about how does a high powered rifle bullet deflect off of a vest…
I asked nothing about gun control…
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Let us also not forget:
Happy to hear/read/watch a corresponding example from "the left" if someone is able to produce it.
Happy to hear/read/watch a corresponding example from "the left" if someone is able to produce it.
The ATF said " older model imported Mauser .30-06 caliber bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel"
Apparently older model Mauser don't fire .03-06 though...
regardless, this doesn't sound like a rifle with detachable stock or barrel, etc. - plus "wrapped in towel" sounds more like a complete rifle vs something in parts that could've been kept in the backpack or scattered randomly.
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^ This is several years old, preceding the 2020 Election
Paraphrasing: If we (MAGA) lose the election, it's fraudulent. If we win, it's legit. This theme was stated by their Dear Leader at least as early as 2016, if not before.
Listen from 2:00 to the end of the video in particular. They've been building these "ideas” over multi media sources and in-person for years and his candidacy and election, etc. amplified their voices.
It won't matter who the suspect, Dead or Alive, is - this will just be more fuel for them to toss on their emPassioned and fervent Fire to bring the USA under their "One True God” and his "colorful" Ambassador here on Earth.
Kirk’s Christian Supporters Mourn Him as a Martyr
“Charlie died for what he believed in,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, a pastor in Oklahoma.
Charlie Kirk’s Christian Supporters Mourn Him as a Martyr
“Charlie died for what he believed in,” said Jackson Lahmeyer, a pastor in Oklahoma.www.nytimes.com
“… Intercessors for America, a Christian group with ties to the Trump administration, emailed supporters on Wednesday night with a suggested prayer in response to Mr. Kirk’s death. The subject line referred to “Charlie Kirk, a modern day MLK.”
… Mr. Kirk began his career as a secular provocateur. He said little about the role of religion in American politics in his early years as an activist.
That started to change during the Covid pandemic, he told The New York Times this year. He was disappointed in church leaders who failed to speak up against lockdowns, he said, and began reading and asking larger questions about the idea of shared morality.
Mr. Kirk emerged from the pandemic, and from Mr. Trump’s defeat in the 2020 election, ready to evangelize for more than political causes and candidates. In 2021, he founded TPUSA Faith to influence pastors and other Christians to “counter falsehoods and illuminate the inextricable link between faith and God-given liberty.” He hosted monthly events at a large evangelical megachurch in Arizona and spoke regularly in personal terms about his own faith.
… To many conservative Christians, his death was a sign that the spiritual battle they had been fighting was far from over.
…
“Jesus told us this would happen,” said Shane Winnings, who heads Promise Keepers, an evangelical men’s organization that has leaned into partisan politics under his leadership. “There’s a real spiritual war going on.”
Mr. Kirk spoke at a Promise Keepers event in Oklahoma last year and invited Mr. Winnings to speak at several of his own gatherings.
Within hours of Mr. Kirk’s death, Mr. Winnings and other conservative Christian leaders were speaking of the event as a demarcation in the nation’s history, one that would lead only to the strengthening of the religious movement Mr. Kirk embodied.
“When Jesus was killed and then rose from the dead and visited the disciples and he ascended, they moved forward and they spawned the early church,” Mr. Winnings said. “I am more filled with determination than ever to continue the mission that I’m on.”…”
The Presidential Medal of Freedom ceased to have any meaning when Rush got one.
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As to the first point:
"The US State Department wants you to report foreigners living in the US who glorify political violence and who cheer the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Please document all of the glorification of violence you find so we can remove violent foreigners on visas from our country."
I'm all for it. We aren't obligated to keep bad non-citizens here.
As to everything else..
some combination of idiotic conspiracy theorizing and dangerous rhetoric. I have never denied that dangerous rhetoric doesn't exist on the right, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.
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Sure, if it’s a Trans person he might have simply saw it as his patriotic duty to exercise his second amendment right to stop a would-be tyrant as well. All sorts of possibilities, but the flag shirt is a very interesting piece of the puzzle that does actually complicate the theory. The most important thing is that the killer is caught and prosecuted, but this situation keeps getting weirder and weirder.
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well, i personally find "glorifying political violence and cheering assassinations" distasteful but that's absurd and a clear violation of 1A and where was this energy when dems were getting attacked and killed? pelosi, hortman, etc. etc. etc.
and i never said that you claimed there was no dangerous rhetoric on the right. you repeatedly trying to assign way more blame than is deserved to the left is what i've been calling out as farcical over and over again.
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That’s interesting then because then the picture is called into question. When was the pic taken and why do they think it’s him? That gun couldn’t be disassembled to fit in a backpack. Possible he pre-staged the gun, so it wouldn’t be on him leading up to the event to avoid him possibly being caught, but then how do they know it’s this guy?
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I said hat and sunglasses. And that the police would release the picture to help find the suspect (although I gave the police too much credit by saying it would be in 30 minutes)
Now, if he left the gun in the woods with political messaging, that would have been a twist I did not anticipate.
Good, maybe something positive will come from this. Maybe them and people like Ben Shapiro and all these other pot-stirring, vitriolic, grifting dividers will calm down their rhetoric and ponder the FAFO that happened yesterday.
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I don't trust a lot of law enforcement, particularly if it's Federal folks under Trump, to tell the truth.
I wish that were true.