The Charlie Kirk Thread

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breepf said:
I'm not looking for anyone to blame per se. I just think our political state of affairs would be better if the shooter turns out to be a right-wing nut. And I'd prefer for the rightwing to destroy itself with political infighting.

Granted, it does not really seem to matter inasmuch as the right is already running wild with antifa conclusions.
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If we are being honest, I'm not sure that, in the end, it matters. If this were a trans kid, it would have been worst case scenario. I am relieved that isn't the case. Beyond that, I don't think that anyone's perspective is going to change because of this event, unless/until we begin to tone down the rhetoric, particularly across social media sites.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, the bullshit attributed to an anonymous agent regarding engravings on the bullets has been debunked.

Normal cult approach, lie about everything.
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The "trans" thing was debunked but not the other stuff, much of which appears--at least one first, non-groyper glance--to be anti-fascist stuff. But then there's the weird online meme shit.
 
Ramrouser said:
He appears to be from a good family - but became self radicalized as an online leftist/ anti fascist. The bullet casings have numerous antifa slogans and song names. One of the casings had inscribed on it "Hey, fascist! Catch!" Well, mission accomplished. Charlie (whom Robinson believed to be a fascist and a "spreader of hate") caught the bullet. The online left (not here) now rejoices.

The issue is that the online left believe that "words are violence" and he expressed to a relative that Kirk was a spreader of hate. Thus, he (in his twisted mind) felt it reasonable to respond to Kirk's violence with violence of his own. Where did he get the idea that Kirk was a fascist? From virtually every Dem politician, media person, online writer and podcaster and strongly implied by the last President. Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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Yea, this didn't age well.

Already being reported the engravings on the shells was a lie.

Looks like it was a 22 year old electrical apprentice.

I've not yet read of any affiliations.
 
CFordUNC said:
Boy howdy, it's a rough day to be a particular couple of the conservative posters in this community who were so cocksure that the shooter was most assuredly a leftwing transgender lunatic, huh?
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It's too early to be taking any victory laps about this man. We've known who this guy is for hours. Resist the internet urge to make definitive conclusions every time a new piece of data comes in from Twitter.
 
Ramrouser said:
He appears to be from a good family - but became self radicalized as an online leftist/ anti fascist. The bullet casings have numerous antifa slogans and song names. One of the casings had inscribed on it "Hey, fascist! Catch!" Well, mission accomplished. Charlie (whom Robinson believed to be a fascist and a "spreader of hate") caught the bullet. The online left (not here) now rejoices.

The issue is that the online left believe that "words are violence" and he expressed to a relative that Kirk was a spreader of hate. Thus, he (in his twisted mind) felt it reasonable to respond to Kirk's violence with violence of his own. Where did he get the idea that Kirk was a fascist? From virtually every Dem politician, media person, online writer and podcaster and strongly implied by the last President. Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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Soooo, what about the conservatives who immediately invoked the Reichstag Fire?
 
Ramrouser said:
He appears to be from a good family - but became self radicalized as an online leftist/ anti fascist. The bullet casings have numerous antifa slogans and song names. One of the casings had inscribed on it "Hey, fascist! Catch!" Well, mission accomplished. Charlie (whom Robinson believed to be a fascist and a "spreader of hate") caught the bullet. The online left (not here) now rejoices.

The issue is that the online left believe that "words are violence" and he expressed to a relative that Kirk was a spreader of hate. Thus, he (in his twisted mind) felt it reasonable to respond to Kirk's violence with violence of his own. Where did he get the idea that Kirk was a fascist? From virtually every Dem politician, media person, online writer and podcaster and strongly implied by the last President. Disagree with us all you want. Fight back against Trump's overuse of the Executive Orders, but quit constantly labeling MAGA fascists and Nazis or YOU are going to inspire future Robinsons to kill other conservative public figures. I mean if your democracy is a stake, isn't murder of MAGA justified?
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Stop voting for people who use fascist rhetoric and do fascist things
 
www.newyorker.com

What Does It Mean That Donald Trump Is a Fascist?

Trump takes the tools of dictators and adapts them for the Internet. We should expect him to try to cling to power until death, and create a cult of January 6th martyrs.
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(small excerpt from a long article)

Putin and Trump are both, in fact, fascists. And their use of the word, though meant to confuse, reminds us of one of fascism’s essential characteristics. A fascist is unconcerned with the connection between words and meanings. He does not serve the language; the language serves him. When a fascist calls a liberal a “fascist,” the term begins to work in a different way, as the servant of a particular person, rather than as a bearer of meaning.

That is quite a fascist achievement. Faced with the complexity of history, liberals struggle with the overwhelming volume of questions to be asked, answers to be offered. Like communism, fascism is an answer to all questions, but a different kind of answer. Communism assures us that we can, thanks to science, find an underlying direction in all events, toward a better future. This is (or was) seductive. Fascism reduces the imbroglio of sensation to what the Leader says.

A liberal has to tell a hundred stories, or a thousand. A communist has one story, which might not turn out to be true. A fascist just has to be a storyteller. Because words do not attach to meanings, the stories don’t need to be consistent. They don’t need to accord with external reality. A fascist storyteller just has to find a pulse and hold it. This can proceed through rehearsal, as with Hitler, or by way of trial and error, as with Trump.

That requires presence, which Trump has always had. His charisma need not resonate with you: probably, Hitler’s and Mussolini’s would not have reached you, either. But it is nevertheless a talent. To be a fascist and to call someone else a fascist requires a cunning that is natural to Trump. And in that naming of the enemy, absurd as it is, we see the second major element of fascism.

A Leader (“Duce” and “Führer” mean just that) initiates politics by choosing an enemy. As the Nazi legal thinker Carl Schmitt maintained, the choice is arbitrary. It has little or no basis in reality. It takes its force from the decisive will of the Leader. The people who watched Trump’s television ads during sporting events had not been harmed by a transgender person, or by an immigrant, or by a woman of color. The magic lies in the daring it takes to declare a weaker group to be part of an overwhelming conspiracy.

The one thing that is not arbitrary about the choice of an enemy is that it must exploit vulnerabilities. The Trump ads projected a fantasy of Kamala Harris allowing millions of sex-changed foreigners to take jobs from Americans. This touches, all at once, on gender, economic, and sexual vulnerability. We are unprotected and impoverished and will be replaced by something alien. And this is all orchestrated by a shadowy enemy in the background—in this case, a woman of color who knows how to laugh.

The “great replacement” theory is an example of an unoriginal fascist lie: conspirators will make you impotent and bring others to take your place in the world. The apparent complexity of the world resolves itself as a conspiracy, just as the attendant anxiety is resolved by hatred. This works with almost any combination of enemies. It can be a conspiracy of deep-state politicians to kidnap babies, or a conspiracy of Jews to corrupt women. Fascism wins when the enmity summoned begins to tell the story itself.
 
breepf said:
The "trans" thing was debunked but not the other stuff, much of which appears--at least one first, non-groyper glance--to be anti-fascist stuff. But then there's the weird online meme shit.
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What remains is a troubled kid/young adult who had no business being around guns. THIS fact is what gets missed every ... single ... time.

It would have been really tough to kill Charlie Kirk from distance with a slingshot.
 
sringwal said:
As I said, the shooting of Malcolm X may be the best comparison.

But watching republicans about-switch on their views on Malcolm X in the days after Kirk’s assassination may be the best example of doublethink that I have seen in my lifetime.
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Molotov Mocktail said:
Why don’t you care about living in a free country? Is that why you want trump to be a dictator?

Or is punctuation like Malcolm X for you, and you just don’t get it?
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Molotov Mocktail said:
Why don’t you care about living in a free country? Is that why you want trump to be a dictator?

Or is punctuation like Malcolm X for you, and you just don’t get it?
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Molotov Mocktail said:
Why don’t you care about living in a free country? Is that why you want trump to be a dictator?

Or is punctuation like Malcolm X for you, and you just don’t get it?
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Molotov Mocktail said:
Why don’t you care about living in a free country? Is that why you want trump to be a dictator?

Or is punctuation like Malcolm X for you, and you just don’t
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Molotov Mocktail said:
Why don’t you care about living in a free country? Is that why you want trump to be a dictator?

Or is punctuation like Malcolm X for you, and you just don’t get it?
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I would hope nobody would kill me today for what I said…
 
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