The Charlie Kirk Thread

4thgenheel said:
he's explaining the layers of nuance behind all of the bigotry. we wouldn't understand.
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Oh, nuance, that's all he had to say, in that context maybe Kirk's words weren't that divisive or harmful. I take back my hint that Kirk was one of the ahole megahphones inciting the CDC shooter and so much other shit this country is having to endure.
 
4thgenheel said:
lmao at your cute lil attempted sanewashing. here are some direct quotes:

"black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously" and that they "have to go steal a white persons slot."
"we made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights act in the 1960's."
"MLK was awful. he was not a good person."
"if i see a black pilot, i'm going to be like "boy, i hope he's qualified."
"happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."
"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?"
"LGBTQ is a social contagion."
"reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge."
"We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately."
"The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white."
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."
In 2024, Kirk cited a passage from Leviticus that advocates for stoning gay people to death, referring to it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.
In a 2025 podcast, Kirk compared homosexuality to alcoholism and drug addiction, stating, "You love them so much to correct their error".
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4thgenheel said:
lmao at your cute lil attempted sanewashing. here are some direct quotes:

"black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously" and that they "have to go steal a white persons slot."
"we made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights act in the 1960's."
"MLK was awful. he was not a good person."
"if i see a black pilot, i'm going to be like "boy, i hope he's qualified."
"happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more."
"If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?"
"LGBTQ is a social contagion."
"reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge."
"We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately."
"The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white."
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."
In 2024, Kirk cited a passage from Leviticus that advocates for stoning gay people to death, referring to it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.
In a 2025 podcast, Kirk compared homosexuality to alcoholism and drug addiction, stating, "You love them so much to correct their error".
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There's a reason that people take small quotes from larger, complete thoughts as the author of your post did. That reason is to misrepresent the intent of the person being partial quoted.

I'm not going to spend time going through every cherry picked quote, but here's a few thoughts:

MLK was not a good person. Did he single handedly lead the civil rights revolution? Yes, but he was not a good person.

He didn't say all black women don't have processing power..or whatever he said. He was talking about 4 specific females, at least two of which acknowledged they got where they did due to affirmative action. He's not responsible for the reality of what AA became, which is often a lowering of standards.

The black pilot comment was related to DEI. Again, it's not his fault that DEI exists in the form it does.

I think there is evidence that LGBTQ is a social contagion. I think it has become trendy and "in" to have 8 different genders.

As far as religious stuff goes, that is far from unique to Charlie and is widely accepted in the evangelical world. My in-laws are the nicest people and he is clearly in charge of the house, she is definitely submissive and it is 100% due to their Methodist beliefs.

Religious extremism is it's own type of crazy.

I don't agree with it, but there's nothing wrong with adults who choose to live their life as they do.

Edit: Charlie said some not great things, but there is a clear intent to remove all context and cherry pick parts of entire thought to misrepresent what he was saying.
 
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ZenMode said:
We have enough bad citizens. We shouldn't import more and shouldn't keep bad people here who don't have a right to be here.
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The First Amendment protects citizen and foreigner alike. If you are in this country, you have the same right to speak as everyone else. You are not subject to deportation simply because you do not express the government-approved level of remorse over Charlie Kirk's death.

Take it up with Alexander Hamilton and the rest of his crew if you have a problem with that.
 
I for the most part took yesterday off as I think the people who admire Kirk deserve some time to grieve. It was not the time to express my opinion of the man.

But the right has completely ceded the high ground on this issue with their talk about sending in the air force, declaring the democratic party as a terrorist organization (and some claiming "democrats" are), shutting down all leftist organizations, etc.

This is no longer about Charlie Kirk. Had they wanted to honor his memory they could have focused their anger at the person responsible for this. Instead they attacked 50% of the country - in some cases calling for us to be attacked and labelled terrorists.

I am not being quiet in the name of toning down the rhetoric. It is beyond that.
 
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