The Charlie Kirk Thread
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UK Press not afraid to paint the man with his own views, as opposed to American media which is caught up in turning him into Abraham Lincoln.
www.theguardian.com
Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’
The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events
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Suspect in Charlie Kirk's killing identified: Sources
A family member saw the photos of the suspect and turned him into police, two senior law enforcement officials say.
www.nbcnews.com
The person accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk is 22-year-old Utah resident Tyler Robinson, according to five law enforcement officials briefed on the matter.
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Local to Utah, current/former student at the school, seems to have remained in the stste after the shooting.
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My first and (hopefully) last post on the influencer, flamethrower, seemingly good dad and husband, provocateur, political strategist, and now right-wing martyr Charlie Kirk.
I have nothing new to say about the killing itself. As so many have said here over the years, including me, all violence is deplorable and has no place in a civil society. I hope they now have the right guy, and if he is convicted, I hope he is punished to the full extent allowed by law. I will never favor the death penalty as a matter of principle, but I also won't weep for this guy if that's his ultimate fate.
This, though, is a microcosm of what I find to be most important and powerful about this moment.
Scene 1:
"Kirk took a strong stance against MLK in December when he spoke at a Turning Point USA political convention, Wired reported. Kirk founded Turning Point USA, an American conservative organization with strong ties to former president Donald Trump, in 2012.
"At the convention, Kirk pushed back against praise for MLK, calling the civil rights activist "awful" and "not a good person", according to Wired."
www.newsweek.com
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Oh, that all of us could have the same grace and wisdom that MLK's children displayed to the assassinated Kirk, and not the disdain and ugliness that Kirk displayed to their assassinated father.
I do not much care what random people on X or Truth Social or this message board or whatever have to say about Kirk and his death. Most of us are much like young children, whose political views tend to be virtually identical to their parents'. It is what the "parents" -- those with influence in our political society -- say that matters. And it matters not just when a right-winger like Kirk is killed, but also when left-wing politicians or influencers are subjected to violence. We message board peons have no responsibility to say anything. But when one assumes a role of political influence, he can't express outrage when violence is directed to his team and stay silent, or worse, when violence is inflicted on the other team.
This all starts, of course, with the person with the biggest megaphone not just in our nation, and not just in our time, but maybe in the history of the democratic world -- Donald Trump. To nobody's surprise, Trump has used this terrible moment not to call for unity and peace, but to cast blame, demonize large groups of Americans, and call for policies that would further entrench his political aims. For the umpteenth time, Trump has dishonored our nation. He has brought further shame to the idea that American democracy will find and elevate the best of us to positions of power, rather than the worst of us. The terrible rhetoric infecting our nation in this moment starts at the top, with Trump.
And that brings us to the other central figure in this story, and another person of immense influence in our national discourse -- Charlie Kirk. I have thought several times over the last few days, "If the person assassinated was a left-wing politician or influencer rather than Kirk, what would Kirk likely have said about it?" I would be very surprised if it was much different than the terrible, violence-perpetuating rhetoric we've heard from Trump, Laura Loomer, Alex Jones, Jesse Watters, Derrick Van Orden, etc., etc., etc.
I mourn Kirk's death because I mourn all lives cut short by the intentionally violent acts of other people. But I am aware that those speaking out against violence and calling for peace and unity in this moment are extending a grace to Kirk, and to the nation, that he would not have extended in different circumstances. He may be a martyr, but unlike MLK, there's no reason for him to be remembered.
I have nothing new to say about the killing itself. As so many have said here over the years, including me, all violence is deplorable and has no place in a civil society. I hope they now have the right guy, and if he is convicted, I hope he is punished to the full extent allowed by law. I will never favor the death penalty as a matter of principle, but I also won't weep for this guy if that's his ultimate fate.
This, though, is a microcosm of what I find to be most important and powerful about this moment.
Scene 1:
"Kirk took a strong stance against MLK in December when he spoke at a Turning Point USA political convention, Wired reported. Kirk founded Turning Point USA, an American conservative organization with strong ties to former president Donald Trump, in 2012.
"At the convention, Kirk pushed back against praise for MLK, calling the civil rights activist "awful" and "not a good person", according to Wired."
Charlie Kirk flips on Martin Luther King Jr., attacks gro...
In the past, Kirk has praised King, but he voiced a drastically different belief this year.
www.newsweek.com
Scene 2:
Oh, that all of us could have the same grace and wisdom that MLK's children displayed to the assassinated Kirk, and not the disdain and ugliness that Kirk displayed to their assassinated father.
I do not much care what random people on X or Truth Social or this message board or whatever have to say about Kirk and his death. Most of us are much like young children, whose political views tend to be virtually identical to their parents'. It is what the "parents" -- those with influence in our political society -- say that matters. And it matters not just when a right-winger like Kirk is killed, but also when left-wing politicians or influencers are subjected to violence. We message board peons have no responsibility to say anything. But when one assumes a role of political influence, he can't express outrage when violence is directed to his team and stay silent, or worse, when violence is inflicted on the other team.
This all starts, of course, with the person with the biggest megaphone not just in our nation, and not just in our time, but maybe in the history of the democratic world -- Donald Trump. To nobody's surprise, Trump has used this terrible moment not to call for unity and peace, but to cast blame, demonize large groups of Americans, and call for policies that would further entrench his political aims. For the umpteenth time, Trump has dishonored our nation. He has brought further shame to the idea that American democracy will find and elevate the best of us to positions of power, rather than the worst of us. The terrible rhetoric infecting our nation in this moment starts at the top, with Trump.
And that brings us to the other central figure in this story, and another person of immense influence in our national discourse -- Charlie Kirk. I have thought several times over the last few days, "If the person assassinated was a left-wing politician or influencer rather than Kirk, what would Kirk likely have said about it?" I would be very surprised if it was much different than the terrible, violence-perpetuating rhetoric we've heard from Trump, Laura Loomer, Alex Jones, Jesse Watters, Derrick Van Orden, etc., etc., etc.
I mourn Kirk's death because I mourn all lives cut short by the intentionally violent acts of other people. But I am aware that those speaking out against violence and calling for peace and unity in this moment are extending a grace to Kirk, and to the nation, that he would not have extended in different circumstances. He may be a martyr, but unlike MLK, there's no reason for him to be remembered.
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What ye sow, so shall ye reap.UK Press not afraid to paint the man with his own views, as opposed to American media which is caught up in turning him into Abraham Lincoln.
Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’
The far-right commentator didn’t pull his punches when discussing his bigoted views on current events
lawtig02
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Disgraceful.
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But far from surprising.
Didn't Kirk try to get his followers to bail out the man who nearly murdered Pelosi's husband?
Didn't Trump just make fun of that attack (again) earlier this week?
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They/Them did the shooting. Its a conspiracy for sure.
ZenMode
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Not sure. I've seen a total of about 15 min of Kirk videos in my life time.
So, I assume that Kirk has not murdered anyone.....
Oh, but he did say things some people thought were mean, so he's reaping what he sows?
JCTarheel82
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Also, dad is law enforcement. He probably taught his son to shoot...
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So, they reslly had no idea who he was and he turned himself in.
HandsonFire
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That's a good father. What a fucking nightmare this must bear for him.
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I’m curious to know the roll of the minister. I also wonder if the shooter lives with parents or just went there.