The Charlie Kirk Thread

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ole howard1 said:
For me, it’s not that voters weren’t moved by Harris and other Dems calling Trump authoritarian. It’s that Republican voters — and many swing voters — didn’t care that so many CONSERVATIVES said Trump was a danger to our democracy.

Liz and Dick Cheney. I get that lots of folks, including Republicans disillusioned with the establishment, are not will about Dick Cheney. But good grief — hardcore conservative, tough politician. The same folks who voted for him and George W. Bush twice just didn’t care.

Conservative political scholar Michael Luttig said Trump was a threat.

John Kelly.

Adam Kinzinger.

Former Tea Party Congressman Joe Walsh.

Trump didn’t get an endorsement from George W. Bush.

That’s what should have convinced enough swing voters and reasonable Republicans to reject Trump. I mean, right?
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I think the one difference with Trump, and one critical contributing factor to his getting re-elected, is the way has has been able to get people who are generally otherwise unengaged with the political process to go out and vote for him. Most of these people are people who would tell you both parties suck. They don’t follow politics closely, nor do they necessarily have a grasp on how US government works.
 
Our school board rep was pressured to resign after making an anti-Kirk post on IG.

Youngkin and the Lt. Gov both chimed in on it.
 




None of this is meant to suggest he deserved to be murdered, just a reminder that his whitewashed modern day Jesus makeover is highly inaccurate.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think the one difference with Trump, and one critical contributing factor to his getting re-elected, is the way has has been able to get people who are generally otherwise unengaged with the political process to go out and vote for him. Most of these people are people who would tell you both parties suck. They don’t follow politics closely, nor do they necessarily have a grasp on how US government works.
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A good chunk of those are motivated by racism.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I think the one difference with Trump, and one critical contributing factor to his getting re-elected, is the way has has been able to get people who are generally otherwise unengaged with the political process to go out and vote for him. Most of these people are people who would tell you both parties suck. They don’t follow politics closely, nor do they necessarily have a grasp on how US government works.
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I agree.

But there have been quite a lot of well educated, affluent, professionally successful Republicans who were solidly supportive of Bushes, Reagan, McCain, Romney, etc. and have fallen right in line with Trump — despite the warnings of strong conservatives.
 
Icky Mettle said:
A friend of mine sent a quick video clip of a group of people (looked like all white men) walking along a road in Charlotte yesterday, all wearing masks and hats. I couldn’t tell what was going on but my other friends on the text thread said it looked like some alt-right group. Now that I see this, that seems to be what it was. Looks like a modern-day Klan rally.
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I thought they were afraid of masks or were ICE agents...
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t know what to tell you other than read the room. A majority of voters apparently didn’t share your view that they (trump, Vance) were fascists or authoritarians. It doesn’t matter at all if trump and his cabinet can “handle” it because it isn’t about them. It’s about voters and whether they can handle it. The left has overused the labels so much they become meaningless. For a year and a half leading up to the election the left absolutely hammered trump as fascist and a threat to democracy, and even said if you vote for him you are supporting racism, fascism, etc. Yet they still voted for him because they don’t believe it because it became meaningless due to over-exaggeration and hyperbole. Continuing to beat that ineffective drum hasn’t worked and continuing to won’t work either. We could have a different conversation on another thread as to what it means and what would have to happen to overthrow the country. Not much more I can say on this topic but that the right isn’t going to tone down the rhetoric and the left can either continue the spiraling downward or use this as an opportunity to rebrand itself in a way that appeals to non hardcore righties and swing voters.
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I don't agree because I don't believe half the trump voters were knowledgeable about this or him, they simply voted for the party or for their eggs to be free again.
 
I believe fear is the simple driving factor towards embracing a "strong man" approach to government. Fear of change, fear of not creating a better life, fear of other, all magnified by orders of magnitude by social media. The strong man's team recognizes this and responds accordingly. The fear is real, and reasonable. The amplification of this fear can be, if left unchecked, Country destroying.
 
nycfan said:


Paul Pelosi says hello
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That's a real whopper, even for him. And not only Pelosi, but he's mocked a number of people who have died or at least their relatives and loved ones. After the Minnesota state legislator was killed he said he wouldn't call Tim Walz to offer condolences because he had "shaky hands" and other crap. He lies about everything all the time, but claiming that the violent rhetoric is coming only from the left and that the right never does such things is completely ridiculous.
 
sringwal said:
I agree that the majority of voters didn’t share the perspective thst Trump and Vance are authoritarian, although I do believe some folks are yearning for authoritarianism.

With that in mind, there is a lot of evidence that supports the argument that Trump is an authoritarian. Show the evidence that he is not.

Regarding your point that the right is not going to tone down the rhetoric, why not? Why is this something that is solely the left’s responsibility?
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I remember when Trump was first elected in 2016 and people were still shocked by his social media posts and rantings in early 2017 that a right-winger on the roundtable on Meet the Press said that Democrats just needed to ignore him and be "the adult in the room". Yeah, that's worked out really well. Saying that is just another example of the ridiculous double standard that Democrats are now held to.
 
Before I say anything else--Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die for his beliefs, his thoughts, or the things he said.

According to many Christians I know, there is no greater joy in death than dying for their faith.

Black Christian America has had a martyr for decades in MLK. White Christian America has been waiting decades for a martyr. They now have him. You can bet that in small town after small town in every nook and cranny of this nation, Charlie Kirk Avenue/Road/Street will be in every single one of them. Maybe in larger towns and cities as well.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not at all. Just applying common sense and not being shepherded by people trying to scare me and rile me up. Sure worked on you apparently


Here’s your boogeyman

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Just curious, what do you think it would take to overthrow our democracy?
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Dude. The boogey man is Trump.
This is one of his warriors. He definitely had a bunch of fools who couldn’t deliver, but why is that okay?
 
DougDaBroadcasta said:
Before I say anything else--Charlie Kirk did not deserve to die for his beliefs, his thoughts, or the things he said.

According to many Christians I know, there is no greater joy in death than dying for their faith.

Black Christian America has had a martyr for decades in MLK. White Christian America has been waiting decades for a martyr. They now have him. You can bet that in small town after small town in every nook and cranny of this nation, Charlie Kirk Avenue/Road/Street will be in every single one of them. Maybe in larger towns and cities as well.
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Charlie Kirk was a horrible horrible man.
 
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