The Charlie Kirk Thread

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lawtig02 said:
From Stephen Miller’s “eulogy.” But don’t call him a Nazi!!!

“We stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And for those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us. What do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness, you are jealousy! You are envy! You are hatred! You are nothing! You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing. We are the ones who build. We are the ones who create. We are the ones who lift up humanity.
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That Sounds like a Sarah Connor quote from Terminator.
 
nycfan said:
You have to listen to the end to get the full effect:



Tucker’s implication (that the assassination of Kirk reminds him of “people eating hummus” plotting to kill Jesus to shut him up) is punctuated by a genuinely insane cackle, like in public you hear that laugh, you instinctively get as far away from that guy as circumstances allow.
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in all fairness maga base believes in ghosts spirits and that jesus saved dump from bullet so they can easily be con'd into believing anything.
 
nycfan said:
You have to listen to the end to get the full effect:



Tucker’s implication (that the assassination of Kirk reminds him of “people eating hummus” plotting to kill Jesus to shut him up) is punctuated by a genuinely insane cackle, like in public you hear that laugh, you instinctively get as far away from that guy as circumstances allow.
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Has Tucker ever given us an update on how he's doing after that demon attacked him in bed in the middle of the night?
 
“Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” Kirk was not interested in a conversation. He was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros. As Kirk’s one-time mentor, former GOP Rep. Joe Walsh, wrote after his death, Kirk was a provocateur. Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” he was not interested in a conversation. Kirk was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros, purveyors of a prevalent internet-based entertainment format that, in an era nearly void of substantive debate, is too often passed off as such.”

“Debate Me” Bro culture has ruined civil discourse
 
farce© said:
“Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” Kirk was not interested in a conversation. He was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros. As Kirk’s one-time mentor, former GOP Rep. Joe Walsh, wrote after his death, Kirk was a provocateur. Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” he was not interested in a conversation. Kirk was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros, purveyors of a prevalent internet-based entertainment format that, in an era nearly void of substantive debate, is too often passed off as such.”

“Debate Me” Bro culture has ruined civil discourse
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Yeah this is the point I've made several times since his death. All the people eulogizing Kirk as someone who did things the "right way" (including Ezra Klein, which really frustrated me) were ignoring that when Charlie Kirk went to all these college campuses, he wasn't looking to genuinely listen to and understand the points his opponents were making, he was only interested in "beating" them (or more specifically to create edited clips he could publish showing that he "beat" the students). South Park skewered this style of "debate" perfectly in their first episode this season, terming the style "masterdebating."
 
Ted Cruz compares FCC Chair Carr to Mafia boss in Jimmy Kimmel warnings
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal

Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr.

  • “He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way’ ... that’s right out of Goodfellas,” Cruz said of Carr.
  • Cruz’s comments put him at odds with President Donald Trump, who applauded Kimmel’s suspension and later called Carr “outstanding.”
  • Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr for his comments related to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel shortly before ABC pulled his show off the air.
Cruz said he took issue with Carr threatening to cancel ABC’s broadcast license over Kimmel’s remarks about the death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

“He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way,’” the senator said of Carr in the latest episode of his podcast, “Verdict with Ted Cruz,” which aired Friday morning.
“And I gotta say, that’s right out of ‘Goodfellas,’” Cruz said, referring to the classic mob film.

“That’s right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, ‘Nice bar you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it,’” he said.

“Look, I like Brendan Carr. He’s a good guy, he’s the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him, but what he said there is dangerous as hell,” Cruz said at another point in the episode

 
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farce© said:
“Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” Kirk was not interested in a conversation. He was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros. As Kirk’s one-time mentor, former GOP Rep. Joe Walsh, wrote after his death, Kirk was a provocateur. Despite his invitations to “debate me” and “prove me wrong,” he was not interested in a conversation. Kirk was instead the godfather of the “Debate Me” Bros, purveyors of a prevalent internet-based entertainment format that, in an era nearly void of substantive debate, is too often passed off as such.”

“Debate Me” Bro culture has ruined civil discourse
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His debates are just an exercise in normalizing the burden of proof fallacy. A fallacy so severe it is considered a debate ender since it shows the user is not arguing in good faith. also commonly used by our resident trolls.
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah this is the point I've made several times since his death. All the people eulogizing Kirk as someone who did things the "right way" (including Ezra Klein, which really frustrated me) were ignoring that when Charlie Kirk went to all these college campuses, he wasn't looking to genuinely listen to and understand the points his opponents were making, he was only interested in "beating" them (or more specifically to create edited clips he could publish showing that he "beat" the students). South Park skewered this style of "debate" perfectly in their first episode this season, terming the style "masterdebating."
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And when cornered, he would answer like, “well, I guess I don’t like murdering babies as much as you do.”
It’s the kind of debate that would result in an F on a paper in college but gets a lots of “likes” on social media.
 
ZenMode said:
Ted Cruz compares FCC Chair Carr to Mafia boss in Jimmy Kimmel warnings
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal

Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr.

  • “He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way’ ... that’s right out of Goodfellas,” Cruz said of Carr.

  • Cruz’s comments put him at odds with President Donald Trump, who applauded Kimmel’s suspension and later called Carr “outstanding.”

  • Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr for his comments related to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel shortly before ABC pulled his show off the air.
Cruz said he took issue with Carr threatening to cancel ABC’s broadcast license over Kimmel’s remarks about the death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

“He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way,’” the senator said of Carr in the latest episode of his podcast, “Verdict with Ted Cruz,” which aired Friday morning.
“And I gotta say, that’s right out of ‘Goodfellas,’” Cruz said, referring to the classic mob film.

“That’s right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, ‘Nice bar you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it,’” he said.

“Look, I like Brendan Carr. He’s a good guy, he’s the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him, but what he said there is dangerous as hell,” Cruz said at another point in the episode

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over/under is 6 days when Ted walks back this criticism

I'm going with the under
 
whatntarnation said:
His debates are just an exercise in normalizing the burden of proof fallacy. A fallacy so severe it is considered a debate ender since it shows the user is not arguing in good faith. also commonly used by our resident trolls.
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I started watching Kirk's Cambridge event and found it difficult to view him as anything but a smug, arrogant, graduate of PragerU or the Kent Hovind Science Institute, overconfident kid high on his own supply. I don't know how Kirk had the audacity to claim "geez, you guys are easy" or to say to the first questioner, "THIS is why I came all the way to England?" I doubt he'd fare well against anything other than a pool of college students, and that's almost certainly by design. I'm going to try to find and watch more of his events or see if he debates a real scholar or intellectual.

This video, from a channel called "Rationality Rules" suggested to me by my phone, did a pretty good job of explaining his "style" and the myriad of logical fallacies he employs in order to make his points:

It reminded me of the venomfangX/thunderf00t "why do people laugh at creationists" internet kerfuffle about 20 years ago. And that pretty much sums up the current iteration of MAGA Christian Nationalism: unapologetically assert your views and do whatever it takes to bring about your worldview (regardless of whether or not it tracks with the actual teachings of Christianity), steamroll those who don't share your views without compunction, and couch it all in a cloak of false, God-fearing humility.
 
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korgguy1971 said:
I started watching Kirk's Cambridge event and found it difficult to view him as anything but a smug, arrogant, graduate of PragerU or the Kent Hovind Science Institute, overconfident kid high on his own supply. I don't know how Kirk had the audacity to claim "geez, you guys are easy" or to say to the first questioner, "THIS is why I came all the way to England?" I doubt he'd fare well against anything other than a pool of college students, and that's almost certainly by design. I'm going to try to find and watch more of his events or see if he debates a real scholar or intellectual.

This video, from a channel called "Rationality Rules" suggested to me by my phone, did a pretty good job of explaining his "style" and the myriad of logical fallacies he employs in order to make his points:

It reminded me of the venomfangX/thunderf00t "why do people laugh at creationists" internet kerfuffle about 20 years ago. And that pretty much sums up the current iteration of MAGA Christian Nationalism: unapologetically assert your views and do whatever it takes to bring about your worldview (regardless of whether or not it tracks with the actual teachings of Christianity), steamroll those who don't share your views without compunction, and couch it all in a false cloak of God-fearing humility.
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As I said before, asking glib and loaded questions to people in an audience while controlling the mic and the conversation is not a debate.
 
ZenMode said:
Ted Cruz compares FCC Chair Carr to Mafia boss in Jimmy Kimmel warnings
Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal

Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr.

  • “He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way’ ... that’s right out of Goodfellas,” Cruz said of Carr.

  • Cruz’s comments put him at odds with President Donald Trump, who applauded Kimmel’s suspension and later called Carr “outstanding.”

  • Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas sharply criticized Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr for his comments related to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel shortly before ABC pulled his show off the air.
Cruz said he took issue with Carr threatening to cancel ABC’s broadcast license over Kimmel’s remarks about the death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

“He says, ‘We can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way,’” the senator said of Carr in the latest episode of his podcast, “Verdict with Ted Cruz,” which aired Friday morning.
“And I gotta say, that’s right out of ‘Goodfellas,’” Cruz said, referring to the classic mob film.

“That’s right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, ‘Nice bar you have here, it’d be a shame if something happened to it,’” he said.

“Look, I like Brendan Carr. He’s a good guy, he’s the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him, but what he said there is dangerous as hell,” Cruz said at another point in the episode

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Carr isn't the boss, tho, Teddy
 
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