The Charlie Kirk Thread

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UNCatTech said:
Are you really that fucking stupid. FLOYD WAS MURDERED. God pull your head out of your ass and stop riding the fence on everything.

Here, from Wikipedia: Derek Michael Chauvin (/ˈʃoʊvən/ SHOH-vən; born 1976) is an American former police officer who murdered George Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man, in Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Was Tony Timpa murdered?

 
Calheel said:
Juries look at facts, too.

I dare say that the Chauvin jury looked at a hell of a lot more facts than you did.
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And prosecutors and grand juries look at facts to determine the charges and if there is enough evidence to bring a murder charge and get a conviction. That's a cop out be Zen to only focus on the jury.

There was an investigation, an indictment, a trial, and a verdict that all conclude that Floyd was murdered.

That's one of the stupidest arguments I've read. Even considering the source.
 
ZenMode said:
Jury's are far from perfect.

I look at facts also.

Either way, no need to derail this thread, so....
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You review this and more detailed than the jury?

You know the law better than the lawyers who gave the jury instructions?

This is a weird hill to die(or troll) on... but I guess it does distract from the multi pointed response that explained why these things are so damn different.
 
ZenMode said:
Right. It should have been, at most, manslaughter.

Chauvin did exactly what the officers did in the Timpa situation. He also did what is done probably hundreds of thousands of times per year, which is using a standard method used by police officers.
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He committed murder. He was convicted of murder by a jury. It is a factual statement to call him a murderer. Your opinion that he should not be called a murderer, for whatever reason, is irrelevant.
 
I think Chauvin was appropriately convicted. I think the other cops, particularly the rookie who was simply present during the altercation, were not.
 
ZenMode said:
Right. It should have been, at most, manslaughter.

Chauvin did exactly what the officers did in the Timpa situation. He also did what is done probably hundreds of thousands of times per year, which is using a standard method used by police officers.
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You can't run around spouting about how you look at facts and ignore the largest fact of all. The guy is factually a convicted murderer.
 
thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
This is a weird hill to die(or troll) on... but I guess it does distract from the multi pointed response that explained why these things are so damn different.
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Why is it weird? This is what Zen does. He takes a contrary position and doesn’t waver regardless how nonsensical his position is proven to be. That’s because he has a different agenda than most other posters here. He seeks attention via responses. He has determined that the best way to get those responses is to stake out a contrary, frequently outlandish position knowing other posters will respond.

It is bad faith posting, but he is correct about one thing….posters here will never learn to scroll by his nonsense and thus they become active participants in his attempts to derail threads and focus attention on himself.
 
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rodoheel said:
He committed murder. He was convicted of murder by a jury. It is a factual statement to call him a murderer. Your opinion that he should not be called a murderer, for whatever reason, is irrelevant.
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I understand how it technically played out in the justice system. I'm saying that the justice system is flawed. People like OJ Simpson are not convicted. People who are generally considered to be attractive get convicted at a lower rate. I've seen research that shows convictions are more likely in the morning for suspects who are appearing in front of a judge. Jurors are human and flawed.

The George Floyd and Tony Timpa situations are basically identical. Two suspects, both on drugs and both died while police were restraining them by kneeling on them, yet the legal outcome for the officers involved was significantly different.
 
ZenMode said:
I understand how it technically played out in the justice system. I'm saying that the justice system is flawed. People like OJ Simpson are not convicted. People who are generally considered to be attractive get convicted at a lower rate. I've seen research that shows convictions are more likely in the morning for suspects who are appearing in front of a judge. Jurors are human and flawed.

The George Floyd and Tony Timpa situations are basically identical. Two suspects, both on drugs and both died while police were restraining them by kneeling on them, yet the legal outcome for the officers involved was significantly different.
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And the response to that, IMO, is that murder charges should have been filed in the Timpa case (where the family did succeed in a wrongful death suit, just like in the OJ case) not that murder charges should not have been filed in the Floyd case.
 
farce© said:
Why is it weird? This is what Zen does. He takes a contrary position and doesn’t waver regardless how nonsensical his position is proven to be. That’s because he has a different agenda than most other posters here. He seeks attention via responses. He has determined that the best way to get those responses is to stake out a contrary, frequently outlandish position knowing other posters will respond.

It is bad faith posting, but he is correct about one thing….posters here will never learn to scroll by his nonsense and thus become active participants in his attempts to derail threads and focus attention on himself.
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Zen earned an ignore within the first month of the forum's existence and it will never waver.
 
rodoheel said:
And the response to that, IMO, is that murder charges should have been filed in the Timpa case (where the family did succeed in a wrongful death suit, just like in the OJ case) not that murder charges should not have been filed in the Floyd case.
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We can disagree about whether or not murder charges should have been brought, but we can agree that the cases, despite significant similarities, were treated much differently, locally and federally.
 
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