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The End Of The ACC As We Know It Is In Sight (And I Feel Fine)

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mpaer said:
AAU and their academics are poor
You are really a contrarian neerdowell
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yes - they're rated @ 100 by the usnews rankings.

quite a few schools that are not very academically selective or strenuous are AAU members. USF, arizona state, iowa, buffalo, kansas, arizona, pitt, etc. etc. etc.

i could've gotten into all of those schools with the SAT scores that i got in 7th grade through the duke TIP program.
 
4thgenheel said:
stanford has excellent olympic sports - i acknowledged that.

their basketball program is in no way better than washington's. both are pretty middling but washington has been better recently for sure. and not seeing it with stanford being superior in football, either. see for yourself.

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Washington Huskies men's basketball - Wikipedia

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Washington Huskies football - Wikipedia

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I said the last 30 years, and the links back me up.

In basketball:
Stanford has been to 14 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, and 5 Sweet Sixteens
Washington has been to 9 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 4 Sweet Sixteens and no further.

In football:
Stanford has been to six major bowls in the last 30 years
Washington has been to four major bowls (including one CFP final) in the last 30 years.
 
Calheel said:
I said the last 30 years, and the links back me up.

In basketball:
Stanford has been to 14 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, and 5 Sweet Sixteens
Washington has been to 9 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 4 Sweet Sixteens and no further.

In football:
Stanford has been to six major bowls in the last 30 years
Washington has been to four major bowls (including one CFP final) in the last 30 years.
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dude, come on.

in the last 20 years, stanford has 4 tourney appearances and washington has 6. and washington has SIX combined regular season and tournament pac titles in the last 20 years, stanford has ZERO.

see, i can base my argument around some random arbitrary number of years, too. neither program is anything to write home about. washington definitely has more recent (last 10-15 years) success in both football and basketball.
 
4thgenheel said:
dude, come on.

in the last 20 years, stanford has 4 tourney appearances and washington has 6. and washington has SIX combined regular season and tournament pac titles in the last 20 years, stanford has ZERO.

see, i can base my argument around some random arbitrary number of years, too. neither program is anything to write home about. washington definitely has more recent (last 10-15 years) success in both football and basketball.
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I said 30, not 20.

And I just guesstimated that number based on my gestalt sense of what I knew of both programs.

The problem with Stanford isn’t its athletic prowess. It is that it is tiny school and no ones goes to its games.

That doesn’t fit in with the Big10 model.
 
Calheel said:
I said the last 30 years, and the links back me up.

In basketball:
Stanford has been to 14 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, and 5 Sweet Sixteens
Washington has been to 9 NCAATs in last 30 years, including 4 Sweet Sixteens and no further.

In football:
Stanford has been to six major bowls in the last 30 years
Washington has been to four major bowls (including one CFP final) in the last 30 years.
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That’s all well and good, but right now Washington’s football program is clearly in a much better spot than Stanford’s, and likely will be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Stanford had as much sustained success as it did in the late 2000s and 2010s is frankly a huge testament to Harbaugh and then David Shaw. That’s a very difficult place to win in this day and age.

I’ll admit, comparing the current state of the two basketball programs is kinda splitting hairs, but sadly football is orders of magnitude more important in the grand scheme.
 
Peppers49 said:
That’s all well and good, but right now Washington’s football program is clearly in a much better spot than Stanford’s, and likely will be for the foreseeable future. The fact that Stanford had as much sustained success as it did in the late 2000s and 2010s is frankly a huge testament to Harbaugh and then David Shaw. That’s a very difficult place to win in this day and age.

I’ll admit, comparing the current state of the two basketball programs is kinda splitting hairs, but sadly football is orders of magnitude more important in the grand scheme.
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Sure. But when Big10 was considering Washington in 2023, the gulf between the two programs was much closer.

The reason Stanford was never a serious candidate for the Big10 wasn’t about athletics or academics. It was about revenue. And Stanford simply was too small for the massive schools of the Big10.
 
Calheel said:
Sure. But when Big10 was considering Washington in 2023, the gulf between the two programs was much closer.

The reason Stanford was never a serious candidate for the Big10 wasn’t about athletics or academics. It was about revenue. And Stanford simply was too small for the massive schools of the Big10.
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Agree that the Big 10 added Washington because of brand value and better overall fit compared to Stanford. Don’t know that I agree that the 2 programs were much closer back in 2023. Stanford hasn’t even had a winning record (sans the weird Covid season) since 2018. They had already been wandering through the wilderness for like 5 years at that point, while Washington was playing in the national title game.
 
Peppers49 said:
Agree that the Big 10 added Washington because of brand value and better overall fit compared to Stanford. Don’t know that I agree that the 2 programs were much closer back in 2023. Stanford hasn’t even had a winning record (sans the weird Covid season) since 2018. They had already been wandering through the wilderness for like 5 years at that point, while Washington was playing in the national title game.
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Alamo Bowl. Washington didn’t make the final until after the Big10 invite.

But this has all gotten into a big sidetrack. Suffice it to say that the expansion opportunities are not going to be based on AAU membership concerns.
 
Calheel said:
Alamo Bowl. Washington didn’t make the final until after the Big10 invite.

But this has all gotten into a big sidetrack. Suffice it to say that the expansion opportunities are not going to be based on AAU membership concerns.
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Washington made the title game in the 2023 season, technically 2024 postseason. That was also their last season in the Pac 12.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Say what? Which women’s sports? SEC women’s basketball and softball - AKA the two most significant women’s sports - are both miles ahead of the Big Ten.
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I guess I was looking at the fact they have few field hockey and lacrosse teams…sports Carolina women would be very competitive in against the BIG v SEC
 
"The ACC’s exit fee for the 2025-26 academic year is set at $165 million and that number will decline by $18 million each year thereafter until 2030-31, when the fee settles at $75 million. Given that the revenue gap between the Big Ten/SEC and the ACC is projected to be $40 million by the end of the decade, the $18 million annual decline in exit fee cost may not be enough to warrant staying in the ACC through 2029-30, provided UNC can find a home in either of the P2 conferences."

IC / Greg Barnes wouldn't say this if it didn't have legs.

UNC is leaving the ACC in the next couple of years. good stuff.
 
4thgenheel said:
"The ACC’s exit fee for the 2025-26 academic year is set at $165 million and that number will decline by $18 million each year thereafter until 2030-31, when the fee settles at $75 million. Given that the revenue gap between the Big Ten/SEC and the ACC is projected to be $40 million by the end of the decade, the $18 million annual decline in exit fee cost may not be enough to warrant staying in the ACC through 2029-30, provided UNC can find a home in either of the P2 conferences."

IC / Greg Barnes wouldn't say this if it didn't have legs.

UNC is leaving the ACC in the next couple of years. good stuff.
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I bet there are talks already between UNC and the SEC and Big 10. I really hope they land in the SEC. I think it's a better conference for basketball, football and baseball, and it's a better fit geographically. Just doesn't make sense to have teams on the west coast in their conference.
 
bluhevn said:
I bet there are talks already between UNC and the SEC and Big 10. I really hope they land in the SEC. I think it's a better conference for basketball, football and baseball, and it's a better fit geographically. Just doesn't make sense to have teams on the west coast in their conference.
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i am fine with either but probably lean SEC, too. just makes more sense geographically and historically.

we can find other homes for our olympic sports programs that the SEC doesn't have.
 
4thgenheel said:
i am fine with either but probably lean SEC, too. just makes more sense geographically and historically.

we can find other homes for our olympic sports programs that the SEC doesn't have.
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Ultimately, which P2 conference doesn’t matter much.

Soon after the ACC collapses, the P2 form the National College Sports League, featuring 40-64 schools.
 
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