The modern conservative approach to "comedy"

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For those who don't already have a subscription to the Atlantic, here's a gift link (I think) to a piece I enjoyed:


Alexandra Petri writes satirical pieces and I thought this was one of her best. Lost of ink has been spilled about modern conservative "humor," and increasingly the modern conservative political movement, is built on never having to decide whether you're serious or joking until after you see how people react. But I thought this piece did a good job of explaining it more sharply than usual. I particularly liked these passages:

You should know by now: Everything is serious, until it’s suddenly a joke and you were a fool for not laughing. Everything is a joke, until suddenly it’s serious and how dare you laugh. Everyone is trolling, until they aren’t, and even when they aren’t, they are. Everyone is always and never joking. It’s not a threat. It’s a joke. Comedy is legal again!

Tragedy, to paraphrase Mel Brooks, is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die. More and more people are getting pushed into open sewers lately. Boom times for comedy. Boom times for laughing at. From the open sewer, you can hear a lot of laughing.


They are so glad not to have to remember anymore that other people are in the room. What an enormous relief! Finally, they can say it! That is the project of Trumpism: becoming the only people in the room again. Becoming both the protagonists and the intended audience, the only people whose laughter counts.
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But there are two reasons you can laugh. One is recognition, and the other is coercion. Some jokes are funny only with a power differential to back them up. This is the kind of comedy that’s legal now: the joke whose punch line you’re afraid to be. The kind of joke you have to take. Laugh, so they’ll know you’re one of them. Laugh, or he’ll kill you. Laugh, and maybe you won’t be next.
 
Good article

Thank goodness we’re moving past peak woke when everything was censored or people were cancelled for one wrong statement.

People, including comedians, now have much more freedom to speak their minds - thanks in large part to Trump and the public’s backlash to the woke’s overreach.
 
Good article

Thank goodness we’re moving past peak woke when everything was censored or people were cancelled for one wrong statement.

People, including comedians, now have much more freedom to speak their minds - thanks in large part to Trump and the public’s backlash to the woke’s overreach.
Now that you’re free, what would you like to say that the wokies used to prevent you from saying?
 
Goodness gracious, imagine what kind of wimpy soy boy you’d have to be to allow yourself to be “””censored””” by a bunch of tofu-farting, granola crunching, tree hugging pointy head lefty Marxists!
 
It’s not about me but society in general. You guys have a blind spot for this issue. It’s a “thing.”
 
It’s not about me but society in general. You guys have a blind spot for this issue. It’s a “thing.”
Cancel culture is absolutely a thing. It's just not only a left thing, and the pendulum has swung back so far in the other direction that it's probably worse on the right now than on the left.

I'm not going to dispute that there are numerous examples of people on the left seeking to over-police and over-regulate speech. It was, indeed, a problem, especially on university campuses. But most of the backlash against that has been by people who simply want more freedom to say despicable things without having to deal with any consequences for it. (But don't say anything that offends them because they'll lose their minds.)
 
Good article

Thank goodness we’re moving past peak woke when everything was censored or people were cancelled for one wrong statement.

People, including comedians, now have much more freedom to speak their minds - thanks in large part to Trump and the public’s backlash to the woke’s overreach.
Perhaps some people have more freedom now. I can assure you that anyone who is not in lockstep with your political views but has any sort of a business presence feels VERY unable to express themselves. Most folks I know are terrified of the Trump government and Trump sycophants and what they might do.

Im just going to be honest...we mix it up on here but if I was being arrested and sent to some African prison for simply posting anti-Trump sentiment, I 100% believe you and people in your position would say and do absolutely nothing to stop it. You'd shrug and continue to follow Trump all the way.
 
Good article

Thank goodness we’re moving past peak woke when everything was censored or people were cancelled for one wrong statement.

People, including comedians, now have much more freedom to speak their minds - thanks in large part to Trump and the public’s backlash to the woke’s overreach.
There are multiple examples in just the past few days of the Trump administration playing a role in cancelling or threatening to cancel comedians and other celebrities and entertainers.
 
Perhaps some people have more freedom now. I can assure you that anyone who is not in lockstep with your political views but has any sort of a business presence feels VERY unable to express themselves. Most folks I know are terrified of the Trump government and Trump sycophants and what they might do.

Im just going to be honest...we mix it up on here but if I was being arrested and sent to some African prison for simply posting anti-Trump sentiment, I 100% believe you and people in your position would say and do absolutely nothing to stop it. You'd shrug and continue to follow Trump all the way.
No. I’m a libertarian when it comes to free speech. My objection is when the campus Hamas protestors harass Jewish students or disrupt campus
 
No. I’m a libertarian when it comes to free speech. My objection is when the campus Hamas protestors harass Jewish students or disrupt campus
Yeah, you say that, but I've seen zero evidence anywhere from avid Trump supporters such as yourself that there is any line anywhere in any aspect that would be too far.

That's just the established history since Trump has been on the scene.
 
Arguably the two biggest comedy podcasts during the “peak woke” era were Rogan and Cum Town. Both of these were explicitly anti-woke/cancel culture (Rogan from the right, CT from the left) and both have only gone on to experience new levels of success. Only one of them was actually funny and subversive- I’ll leave that to you to decide (but here’s a very NSFW hint).

In reality, cancel culture consumed lots of energy among the chronically online but comedians have never faced any real limits or repercussions (unless you count Michael Richards being racist on stage which was in… 2006!).
 
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