Travis and Taylor

Ramrouser said:
Waay too pessimistic view of things. No question housing is expensive and we need to focus on building more entry housing. But your reality is not mine. Both of my children purchased their homes in their mid 20s. My son just closed on his 2nd home. 90% of their friends from HS and college own their own homes in places like Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Charleston, Dallas, No. VA and many have already started families. I realize this might not be a completely representative sample of young people but still....
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Your reality is not mine either. Maybe your son and his friends actually live in those cities, more likely they live in suburbs. For me and my wife, and our friends, we loathe a soulless suburb (no offense to CFord but a gated golf community sounds like my personal hell). For us, it was still difficult to have 2 kids in the city, and almost cost prohibitive despite 2 doctor salaries, so we moved back to NC. Not ideal, but we did it for our kids. This balance is the trade off for people in our generation. Either have kids, and move off to the suburbs or enjoy the cities and stay renting and childless. My brother is a physician in his early-mid 30s and he still has not bought a house or had kids and mostly due to cost (Trump fucking around with PSLF doesn’t help this either)
 
Ramrouser said:
I support legal immigration and allowing immigrants entry into the US based upon our country's needs. That could range from Indian engineers to unskilled Mexicans.
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How about based on the needs of the individual? I'll bet you're one of those people who claim "I'd die for my children" well, I'd assume if you'd die for your child you'd be willing to cross a border for your child if it meant they had a shot at a better life.

I'd actually have a modicum of respect for you if you'd just come out full Stephen Miller.

Do you have the balls to do that, Ram? Or are you just a beta back bitch in all aspects of your life?
 
uncjhodges said:
Your reality is not mine either. Maybe your son and his friends actually live in those cities, more likely they live in suburbs. For me and my wife, and our friends, we loathe a soulless suburb (no offense to CFord but a gated golf community sounds like my personal hell). For us, it was still difficult to have 2 kids in the city, and almost cost prohibitive despite 2 doctor salaries, so we moved back to NC. Not ideal, but we did it for our kids. This balance is the trade off for people in our generation. Either have kids, and move off to the suburbs or enjoy the cities and stay renting and childless. My brother is a physician in his early-mid 30s and he still has not bought a house or had kids and mostly due to cost (Trump fucking around with PSLF doesn’t help this either)
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I’m with you. I live in a city where I am a short walk or transit stop from any number of restaurants, concerts or festivals. No way in hell I would give that up to live in the burbs where a big night out is a trip to the local chain restaurant and then home early so I can wake up and do yard work to avoid a fine from the Karens in the HOA.
 
CharmCityTiger said:
I’m with you. I live in a city where I am a short walk or transit stop from any number of restaurants, concerts or festivals. No way in hell I would give that up to live in the burbs where a big night out is a trip to the local chain restaurant and then home early so I can wake up and do yard work to avoid a fine from the Karens in the HOA.
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Yeah, definitely a drawback of living in the burbs is that the number of really good non-chain restaurants and stores isn’t as high as I’d like, but where we are is kind of at the intersection of where Huntersville, Davidson, and Cornelius all come together, and between those three towns there are some pretty solid non-chain options within a short drive. Of course, you have to drive and can’t walk, which is a bummer but you just know that going into it! And then if we really want something unique, the trip down to Charlotte is pretty easy with the fast pass.
 
CFordUNC said:
This is one of your primary problems. You aren’t able to see or understand that just because you or people close to you have a particular experience, that it can’t and shouldn’t be extrapolated to most other people, especially not as it pertains to proposing policy?

I’m in my mid-30’s, have a HHI in the upper six-figures, and just bought a $1.1M house in a gated golf course community in a Charlotte suburb. Ten years ago this fall I was working in a full-time, completely unpaid internship two years after I graduated from college because I couldn’t get another job at the time, and I was dead-ass broke. Which of these two vastly different life situations do you think is more similar to that of the majority of younger people in their 20’s and early/mid 30’s (peak years for having children)? Should I extrapolate my current good fortune and believe that it applies to all other or most other young people? Clearly the answer is no.

Do you see why holding policy beliefs and positions based almost exclusively on your own life experiences is not a great way to legislate for the masses?
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I acknowledged that my children's (and their friends) success - like yours by the way - may not be completely typical of the average person in their 20s and 30s BUT I wanted to rebut the pessimism expressed here about no young person today can afford a house or family and that everything is terrible.
 
uncjhodges said:
Your reality is not mine either. Maybe your son and his friends actually live in those cities, more likely they live in suburbs. For me and my wife, and our friends, we loathe a soulless suburb (no offense to CFord but a gated golf community sounds like my personal hell). For us, it was still difficult to have 2 kids in the city, and almost cost prohibitive despite 2 doctor salaries, so we moved back to NC. Not ideal, but we did it for our kids. This balance is the trade off for people in our generation. Either have kids, and move off to the suburbs or enjoy the cities and stay renting and childless. My brother is a physician in his early-mid 30s and he still has not bought a house or had kids and mostly due to cost (Trump fucking around with PSLF doesn’t help this either)
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There you go again (Reagan voice) with stereotypes of conservatives. I'm an in town person and have lived in the City of Atlanta my entire career. The main downside is that I had to send my two children to obscenely priced private schools as the in town public schools are no match for the north Fulton/east Cobb/ north Gwinnett public schools. My daughter lives in Oak Lawn in Dallas (which is in town). Son's homes are in the suburbs so you're correct there (he loves the bells and whistles of new construction).

BTW, while I like older homes in the city, CFord's gated golf house seems great to me as well. My sister lives in one in Weddington (south of Charlotte).
 
Did your children (and their friends) success happen despite democrat run federal governments? According to the person you voted for America was on its knees if not near death. How did your children (and their friends) navigate such "pessimism"?
 
dukeman92 said:
How about based on the needs of the individual? I'll bet you're one of those people who claim "I'd die for my children" well, I'd assume if you'd die for your child you'd be willing to cross a border for your child if it meant they had a shot at a better life.

I'd actually have a modicum of respect for you if you'd just come out full Stephen Miller.

Do you have the balls to do that, Ram? Or are you just a beta back bitch in all aspects of your life?
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I respect and appreciate illegals wanting what's best for their children, but it simply is not the responsibility of the US to fulfill the dreams and aspirations of the world's population.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
Did your children (and their friends) success happen despite democrat run federal governments? According to the person you voted for America was on its knees if not near death. How did your children (and their friends) navigate such "pessimism"?
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As I've said many times before (as have others), successful people can thrive under Democratic and Republican rule - no matter how bad you think it is. Heck, I survived the reign of Mayor Keisha Bottoms.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Show me any effort that Republicans have made toward legal immigration policies. If I've missed it, I apologize. All I see is a pretty blanket attempt to keep people out or throw people out. If the concern was LEGAL immigration, wouldn't that also be a focus?
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Trump needs to clean up Biden's mess first by removing all the illegals he willingly let stroll into the country. Once that is done and the border is secure and the recent illegals are removed, then will it be time to talk about reforming legal immigration, Dreamers, etc. We need to eat our spinach first before enjoying desert.

Trump's deportation efforts will eventually stop after he's sent his message to the world NOT to illegally come into the country. He's in the construction and hospitality business so he knows we need a certain amount of illegals. I can see us giving millions of them work permits (not citizenship) allowing them to work in this country provided they don't commit crimes.
 
Ramrouser said:
I acknowledged that my children's (and their friends) success - like yours by the way - may not be completely typical of the average person in their 20s and 30s BUT I wanted to rebut the pessimism expressed here about no young person today can afford a house or family and that everything is terrible.
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My guess is that there are not many young persons who grew up in a family that has been in the top 10% who cannot afford to buy a house.

Chances are those young persons are well educated and not burdened with college debt. Chances are those young persons have made some career connections through their wealthy family connections.

So I agree with you when you rebut the contention that no young folks can afford to buy a house, and I agree with you that young persons who have grown up in the top 10% probably don't think every thing is terrible...for now
 
rodoheel said:
Oh really? You mean like the pessimistic view of America turning into a dystopian hellhole that Trump ran and won on?
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Little did we know when St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago was talking about those things during the 2024 campaign, they were campaign promises, not complaints about Biden.
 
heelinhell said:
My guess is that there are not many young persons who grew up in a family that has been in the top 10% who cannot afford to buy a house.

Chances are those young persons are well educated and not burdened with college debt. Chances are those young persons have made some career connections through their wealthy family connections.

So I agree with you when you rebut the contention that no young folks can afford to buy a house, and I agree with you that young persons who have grown up in the top 10% probably don't think every thing is terrible...for now
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something like this is probably accurate. top 10% as far as net worth is @ 2 million. median net worth is 192k. so, the vast majority of families are nowhere near what's needed.

i have lots of friends in their 20's and 30's who don't have those kinds of resources in their family and they don't own homes and their prospects for owning a home any time soon aren't great.
 
Ramrouser said:
Trump needs to clean up Biden's mess first by removing all the illegals he willingly let stroll into the country. Once that is done and the border is secure and the recent illegals are removed, then will it be time to talk about reforming legal immigration, Dreamers, etc. We need to eat our spinach first before enjoying desert.

Trump's deportation efforts will eventually stop after he's sent his message to the world NOT to illegally come into the country. He's in the construction and hospitality business so he knows we need a certain amount of illegals. I can see us giving millions of them work permits (not citizenship) allowing them to work in this country provided they don't commit crimes.
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The Trump administration is forcing out people who came here legally on work permits. Here's one example:

www.wbur.org

Logan Airport is losing immigrant workers as Trump administration changes the rules

Airport service workers have been quietly let go as the Trump administration remakes immigration policy to narrow pathways into the workforce. Scores of workers have been impacted at Logan — and hundreds nationwide.
www.wbur.org www.wbur.org

You can't honestly be so dumb as to buy what you are selling here. The administration is deporting people who have been here working without committing crimes, and yet you somehow harbor some fairly tale that at an unspecified future date that administration will issue new work permits to millions of people?

I understand that you have to engage in this sort of cognitive dissonance to avoid admitting that you made a huge mistake in supporting Trump. But sheesh, I'm amazed at how easily you're able to fool yourself.
 
CFordUNC said:
This is one of your primary problems. You aren’t able to see or understand that just because you or people close to you have a particular experience, that it can’t and shouldn’t be extrapolated to most other people, especially not as it pertains to proposing policy?

I’m in my mid-30’s, have a HHI in the upper six-figures, and just bought a $1.1M house in a gated golf course community in a Charlotte suburb. Ten years ago this fall I was working in a full-time, completely unpaid internship two years after I graduated from college because I couldn’t get another job at the time, and I was dead-ass broke. Which of these two vastly different life situations do you think is more similar to that of the majority of younger people in their 20’s and early/mid 30’s (peak years for having children)? Should I extrapolate my current good fortune and believe that it applies to all other or most other young people? Clearly the answer is no.

Do you see why holding policy beliefs and positions based almost exclusively on your own life experiences is not a great way to legislate for the masses?
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Put another way, the plural of anecdote is not data
 
wmheel1287 said:
Why not just be satisfied with whatever choice she makes for herself? I'm asking honestly. I've never once considered that it would be a thing to want to influence people to have children or to not have children. Hell, I think there are a LOT of people who should be nowhere near a child, but it isn't really my place to influence them one way or the other.
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If my sister was super happy/satisfied with her current life, you would have a point. I don’t ultimately care that much if my sister has children or not, but seeing Taylor Swift start a family would absolutely have a chance of influencing her overall viewpoint on what it means to start a family, be a mother, have a husband, etc.
 
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