Trump Admin “Pro-Christianity” Policies | Some Christians are more equal than others

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I asked ChatGPT to give me an example of Paula White speaking in tongues ..

"We command any satanic pregnancies to miscarry right now! Shanda-la-baka, sanda-laka, ekata-lamando!"

Lamando was carrying it bit too far, IMHO.
 
breepf said:
I think you're saying that Christian conservatives are precisely what they disdain. But to point out this boring hypocrisy you're reinforcing what's fucked up about the comparison to begin with.
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"Jesus was a radical, non-violent revolutionary who hung around with lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn’t American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (M 6:5), but was never anti-gay; never mentioned abortion or birth control; never called the poor ‘lazy’; never justified torture; never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes; never asked a leper for a co-pay; and was a long-haired, brown-skinned, homeless, community-organizing, anti-slut-shaming, Middle Eastern Jew.
JOHN FUGELSANG
 
breepf said:
I think you're saying that Christian conservatives are precisely what they disdain. But to point out this boring hypocrisy you're reinforcing what's fucked up about the comparison to begin with.
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31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 
BillOfRights said:
"Jesus was a radical, non-violent revolutionary who hung around with lepers, hookers and crooks; wasn’t American and never spoke English; was anti-wealth, anti-death penalty, anti-public prayer (M 6:5), but was never anti-gay; never mentioned abortion or birth control; never called the poor ‘lazy’; never justified torture; never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes; never asked a leper for a co-pay; and was a long-haired, brown-skinned, homeless, community-organizing, anti-slut-shaming, Middle Eastern Jew.
JOHN FUGELSANG
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I applaud the effort to give liberal politics a "religious" grounding that will win over more Christian voters and, for that matter, inoculate normie Christians against the extremists in their midsts. But you're not going to convince me that a 1st-century Jewish apocalyptic preacher from bumfuck Galilee has a ton in common with a typical 21st-century, college-educated Democrat.

Do you think that turning food into excrement through digestion removes its ritual impurities? Do you even know what that means? Or do you just ignore those parts of the gospel because you can't derive any immediate relevance from it and you're not curious enough to learn more about how Jesus inhabited a radically different world than your own? "Sure, he's the moral exemplar of human existence. No, I can't be bothered to know what the fuck is going on."

To pretend that Jesus has more in common with a contemporary Democrat than a 1st-century Pharisee just shows how little you know about the subject.
 
breepf said:
I applaud the effort to give liberal politics a "religious" grounding that will win over more Christian voters and, for that matter, inoculate normie Christians against the extremists in their midsts. But you're not going to convince me that a 1st-century Jewish apocalyptic preacher from bumfuck Galilee has a ton in common with a typical 21st-century, college-educated Democrat.

Do you think that turning food into excrement through digestion removes its ritual impurities? Do you even know what that means? Or do you just ignore those parts of the gospel because you can't derive any immediate relevance from it and you're not curious enough to learn more about how Jesus inhabited a radically different world than your own? "Sure, he's the moral exemplar of human existence. No, I can't be bothered to know what the fuck is going on."

To pretend that Jesus has more in common with a contemporary Democrat than a 1st-century Pharisee just shows how little you know about the subject.
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Well sure. By that standard, he also had more in common with Caesar Augustus than he has with a contemporary Democrat. I'm not sure what the point is of drawing analogies across time unless you adjust uniformly for the temporal changes.
 
lawtig02 said:
Well sure. By that standard, he also had more in common with Caesar Augustus than he has with a contemporary Democrat. I'm not sure what the point is of drawing analogies across time unless you adjust uniformly for the temporal changes.
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To the extent that a mostly blinkered millennium-spanning analogy aids a modern liberal politics, I'm probably for it and I can maybe even overlook the fact that Jesus was a dime-a-dozen failed end-times prophet.

To the extent that it relies on age-old Christian ax-grinding against Judaism (ooh, the Pharisees!), it can get fucked.
 
lawtig02 said:
Well sure. By that standard, he also had more in common with Caesar Augustus than he has with a contemporary Democrat. I'm not sure what the point is of drawing analogies across time unless you adjust uniformly for the temporal changes.
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breepf said:
I think you're saying that Christian conservatives are precisely what they disdain. But to point out this boring hypocrisy you're reinforcing what's fucked up about the comparison to begin with.
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"Christian conservatives" aren't very conservative and don't seem to follow Christ's teachings. They are white nationalists wrapping themselves in a religion that they don't understand.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
 
BillOfRights said:
"Christian conservatives" aren't very conservative and don't seem to follow Christ's teachings. They are white nationalists wrapping themselves in a religion that they don't understand.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
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Sure, but so what? I don't think you understand it that well. I sure as fuck don't understand it all that well. Jesus and Christianity are genres, so to speak, that people mobilize to shape the world: Scripturam esse nasum caereum; quia converti possit in omnes formas.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is no "gotcha" or "hypocrisy" card to play here--which makes the Pharisee comment even stupider-- because so-called Christian conservatives have molded the wax nose in a particular way. Is it the right way? No, I don't think so. Is it a way that is completely incongruent with certain threads of New Testament thought and Christian tradition? No, Christian militarism and, more fundamentally, the idea of a battle against the forces of evil on earth is very much a vibrant longstanding current in Christianity.

It's just so tedious to pretend that Jesus would love a good brunch and subscribe to MAX because he really appreciates longform storytelling.
 
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breepf said:
Sure, but so what? I don't think you understand it that well. I sure as fuck don't understand it all that well. Jesus and Christianity are genres, so to speak, that people mobilize to shape the world: Scripturam esse nasum caereum; quia converti possit in omnes formas.
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Omnis Gaulia en tres partes divisa est. The wind in Spain causes rain. Boom boom.
 
breepf said:
I think you're saying that Christian conservatives are precisely what they disdain. But to point out this boring hypocrisy you're reinforcing what's fucked up about the comparison to begin with.
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No, I am saying they are hypocrites and say they are Christians when doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught. Jesus said a lot about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and how they posture and say they are following God but do nothing to help their fellow man. It's a real stretch to say calling MAGA and Pubs modern day Phariesses is anti Jewish when not all Jews were like the Pharisees. Jesus was talking about a specific group of people, and that is exactly how MAGA acts today.
 
CarolinaFever said:
No, I am saying they are hypocrites and say they are Christians when doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught. Jesus said a lot about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and how they posture and say they are following God but do nothing to help their fellow man. It's a real stretch to say calling MAGA and Pubs modern day Phariesses is anti Jewish when not all Jews were like the Pharisees. Jesus was talking about a specific group of people, and that is exactly how MAGA acts today.
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I can understand why you think this is a fair-handed jab at Christians. But it's a jab at Christians that calls them hypocrites on the grounds that what they are actually acting like is legalistic, love-averse Jews who are, once again, disobeying God.

In turn, Christian tradition (plus the gospel of John) roundly transformed this accusation into one that applied to Jews as such. Luther enshrines this accusation into his law-gospel distinction: the former kills, the latter saves.

It's worth noting that the Pharisees were not some historical blip that you can quarantine in the 1st c. CE. The Pharisees were the forerunners of the rabbis. In other words, contemporary Judaism is rabbinic Judaism, which comes out of Pharisaic Judaism.

Where the Pharisees guilty of what the gospels say? Are you guilty of what your ideological opponents say? Presumably, you're a liberal. Do you harvest babies for their sweet, sweet adrenochrome? I’d also add that whatever the merits of Jesus’s complaints, they hit a lot differently when they’re part of internecine Jewish squabbling and not later Christian polemic.

TarSpiel could probably add more nuance what I'm saying, and maybe extend or retract some of the points, but the broad strokes of what I'm writing isn't up for debate.
 
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In a world without so many religiously unaffilated people this would be a cataclysmic mistake. They'll get away with it now, though.
 
nycfan said:
“… Last month, Vice President JD Vance criticized the U.S. Catholic Church’s efforts to help immigrants and refugees, suggesting the Church is motivated by money, and alleged without evidence that it works with millions of “illegal immigrants.” (Catholic groups spend more money on immigrant services than they receive from the federal government, according to an annual financial audit.) …”
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Why would JD care about fact checking, he knows the base will not.

Additionally, I thought the church was supposed to help people?
 
nycfan said:
“… On Sunday, on the social media site X, right-wing Trump ally Mike Flynn accused Lutheran organizations that receive federal grants to help the needy of committing “money laundering.” Flynn put quote marks around the word “Lutheran” — one of America’s largest Protestant groups — in the post.

Billionaire Elon Musk’s then shared Flynn’s post, calling “illegal” multiple Lutheran organizations that work in the United States to provide health care to homeless people, run food pantries, and help migrants and refugees. “The @DOGE team is rapidly shutting down these illegal payments,” Musk said, referring to his U.S. DOGE Service, also known as the Department of Government Efficiency.

Flynn and Musk did not provide evidence to back up their allegations. A spokesperson for Musk’s DOGE office didn’t respond to a request for comment. …”

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If they really care about churches, just keep church and government separate in every way. Including taxes.
 
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superrific said:
So they are going after Catholics, huh?

Leonard Leo, how's the leopard spittle on your face taste?
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The new right-wing school curriculum in my state plays up evangelical ideas that all you need is a Bible. Don’t know why Catholics aren’t more angry.
 
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