Trump Admin takes over D.C. Policing | Multiple people shot in DC, including two National Guardsman

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finesse said:
The orange piece of crap doesn't deserve any slack considering how he reviles everybody who is not kissing his ass or paying him money. He almost certainly is violating the Constitution even without a smoking gun. Anything said to warn the American people just how low and slimy Trump is deserves praise, not blame. You know that he's using all this for his own benefit. You could claim that it's not malicious and it might even be true. They are just cyphers to him , no more to be considered than the diaper he just took off and discarded. Did you notice that I haven't the least qualm about about Trump being portrayed as representing the nadir of our political leadership?
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Again, I brought it up because it was a clear example of Democrats increasing the political temperature.
 
ZenMode said:
Again, I brought it up because it was a clear example of Democrats increasing the political temperature.
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And again you were wrong. It was the distortions and outright lies by the idiots you are defending claiming that it was sedition and a criminal act when it was legal, germane and damned near necessary in today's conditions that turned up the heat and deceit. The Democrats were taking care of the people the CiC was taking advantage of. They swore the same oath the the Constitution that supersedes the one to the CIC just like the soldiers they were warning did. Thy owed it to their brothers in arms. That it makes the POTUS like a senile old hateful idiot in the process is just a benefit. Fuck Corporal Bonespurs.
 
ZenMode said:
Again, I brought it up because it was a clear example of Democrats increasing the political temperature.
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It is not increasing political temperature to urge members of the military to follow their oath. It is a very measured response to a commander in chief who is very likely issuing illegal orders that could result in American service members being tried and convicted of war crimes down the road. While SCOTUS has made the President himself immune, no such immunity exists for those he commands. Many cutrent and former military law experts concur that the orders in the Caribbean are unlawful use of force. Many of those carrying out those orders have heard those concerns from the JAG officers assigned to them for such quandaries.
 
finesse said:
And again you were wrong. It was the distortions and outright lies by the idiots you are defending claiming that it was sedition and a criminal act when it was legal, germane and damned near necessary in today's conditions that turned up the heat and deceit.
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Yep, more than one action can increase the political temperature.
finesse said:
The Democrats were taking care of the people the CiC was taking advantage of. They swore the same oath the the Constitution that supersedes the one to the CIC just like the soldiers they were warning did. Thy owed it to their brothers in arms. That it makes the POTUS like a senile old hateful idiot in the process is just a benefit. Fuck Corporal Bonespurs.
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The status of Trump, his generally ridiculous, inflammatory rhetoric and whatever eventually becomes of him, legally speaking, has absolutely nothing to do with the actions and timing of the Democrat statement and the fact that it very obviously raised the temperature.

It's baffling to me that you could think otherwise.
 
ZenMode said:
Yep, more than one action can increase the political temperature.

The status of Trump, his generally ridiculous, inflammatory rhetoric and whatever eventually becomes of him, legally speaking, has absolutely nothing to do with the actions and timing of the Democrat statement and the fact that it very obviously raised the temperature.

It's baffling to me that you could think otherwise.
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Most things seem baffling to you. Imagine just letting their statement stand on its merits. They hurried to dump gasoline on a candle in the dark.
 
ZenMode said:
Yep, more than one action can increase the political temperature.

The status of Trump, his generally ridiculous, inflammatory rhetoric and whatever eventually becomes of him, legally speaking, has absolutely nothing to do with the actions and timing of the Democrat statement and the fact that it very obviously raised the temperature.

It's baffling to me that you could think otherwise.
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I’m not sure how you can blame Dems for raising the temperature for issuing a benign statement to which the Pubs throw a tantrum that would impress the hell out of a spoiled two year old. We’re living in a world where a Dem could read Article 1 of the Constitution on the floor of the Senate and Trump would demand that Bondi charge him with sedition.
 
ZenMode said:
Yep, more than one action can increase the political temperature.

The status of Trump, his generally ridiculous, inflammatory rhetoric and whatever eventually becomes of him, legally speaking, has absolutely nothing to do with the actions and timing of the Democrat statement and the fact that it very obviously raised the temperature.

It's baffling to me that you could think otherwise.
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The Seditious Six video definitely raised the temperature in the Trump administration and his toady GQPers in Congress who have been planning to continue issuing unlawful orders... and their response to the video has raised the temperature among MAGA nation.

I submit that the intent of the Seditious Six was to support the military as they seek to honor their oath
I submit that the intent of Trump and his minions' response was to inflame their MAGA base and distract from their plan to issue future unlawful orders.

To boside this is absurd.
 
finesse said:
Most things seem baffling to you. Imagine just letting their statement stand on its merits. They hurried to dump gasoline on a candle in the dark.
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"Imagine just letting their statement stand on its merits."

Because there was clearly intent behind it, unless you believe the timing was coincidental. You don't believe the timing was coincidental, do you?

How often does a group of only Democrats put out PSA-type messages reminding military personnel that they don't need to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders? Maybe you can remind me of when that last happened.

For that matter, when's the last time a group of only Democrats or only Republicans put out a PSA-type message of any type?
 
ZenMode said:
"Imagine just letting their statement stand on its merits."

Because there was clearly intent behind it, unless you believe the timing was coincidental. You don't believe the timing was coincidental, do you?

How often does a group of only Democrats put out PSA-type messages reminding military personnel that they don't need to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders? Maybe you can remind me of when that last happened.

For that matter, when's the last time a group of only Democrats or only Republicans put out a PSA-type message of any type?
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When was the last time you argued in good faith? You are notorious for insisting that others take Trump and his minions be taken for precisely what they say with no reading of ulterior motive etc. Can't have that argument both ways.
 
Personally like that the 6 came out and made this video. At least someone has the backs of the men and women carrying out these missions. Down the road if these missions run into major legal issues, you can bet your ass this admin will throw them under the bus to cover their ass. This admin is not who you want in a foxhole with you.
 
ZenMode said:
"Imagine just letting their statement stand on its merits."

Because there was clearly intent behind it, unless you believe the timing was coincidental. You don't believe the timing was coincidental, do you?

How often does a group of only Democrats put out PSA-type messages reminding military personnel that they don't need to follow illegal or unconstitutional orders? Maybe you can remind me of when that last happened.

For that matter, when's the last time a group of only Democrats or only Republicans put out a PSA-type message of any type?
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Well, everything that suggested not voting for Trump was a PSA, whether official or not. The only thing coincidental about the timing was the increasing disregard by Trump for anyone but himself. They spoke to an audience no one else could because the Republicans were too busy kissing Trump's ass to speak with their mouths full.
 
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ZenMode said:
Because there was clearly intent behind it, unless you believe the timing was coincidental. You don't believe the timing was coincidental, do you?
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I don't think anyone has suggested there was no intent. Six lawmakers didn't sneeze and accidentally write, record, edit, and post a video.

The intent was to remind people to follow the law. Because those LAWMAKERS were concerned people weren't following the law. The histrionics are baffling.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I don't think anyone has suggested there was no intent. Six lawmakers didn't sneeze and accidentally write, record, edit, and post a video.

The intent was to remind people to follow the law. Because those LAWMAKERS were concerned people weren't following the law. The histrionics are baffling.
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Yep and by making a public statement like that, and implying that the President and his administration are currently giving illegal and/or unconstitutional orders, it clearly raised the political temperature in a time where we should all be trying to bring it down, right?
 
finesse said:
Well, everything that suggested not voting for Trump was a PSA, whether official or not. The only thing coincidental about the timing was the increasing disregard for Trump for anyone but himself. They spoke to an audience no one else could because the Republicans were too busy kissing Trump's ass to speak with their mouths full.
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Good point !

The Seditious Six were speaking to our military officers and their servicemen. They were not addressing broader America

The Trump administration response was not speaking to the military. They were addressing MAGA nation
 
lawtig02 said:
I’m not sure how you can blame Dems for raising the temperature for issuing a benign statement to which the Pubs throw a tantrum that would impress the hell out of a spoiled two year old. We’re living in a world where a Dem could read Article 1 of the Constitution on the floor of the Senate and Trump would demand that Bondi charge him with sedition.
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Right? It seems that if the Trump admin felt the need to respond, they could have done so by simply saying that they fully agree that members of our military should not follow unlawful orders and that the message was unnecessary because members of the military will not be put in such a position. But of course that’s not who they are. They are dimwitted, petulant children and always react as such. And now they give the appearance that they are issuing, and/or plan to issue, unlawful orders and are seeking retribution against those called them out on it.
 
ZenMode said:
Yep and by making a public statement like that, and implying that the President and his administration are currently giving illegal and/or unconstitutional orders, it clearly raised the political temperature in a time where we should all be trying to bring it down, right?
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No - assuming the video was inspired at least in part by the strikes in the Caribbean - I don't believe suggesting a natural conclusion from information the administration itself has released and confirmed raises the political temperature. In fact, I think the video was quite measured in an attempt to keep the political temperature down as much as possible.

Regardless, though, prioritizing the temperature of political discourse over likely extrajudicial killings would be perverse.

I'm stepping back from this discussion now as I think we're going in circles. ✌️
 
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