Trump and Putin love affair

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CFordUNC said:
So wait a second. COVID was a hoax, but Trump needed to send the head of state of our primary geopolitical enemy COVID tests when we were facing our own severe shortage of them here at home? Do I have that correct?
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You forget the part where it was also a genetically-engineered Chinese bioweapon unleashed at the perfect time to sabotage Donald Trump's 2020 reelection campaign.

It was also a hoax perpetrated by the Deep State to get MAGA to submit to wearing masks and to allow Antifa to loot, pillage, and block MAGA traffic without fear of being identified.

So yes, you have that correct.
 
Ddseddse said:
Not tests. Not like the handy home test kits that were developed later. Highly specialized testing machines at a time when they were extremely rare and there was a life or death demand for them.
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Good point. It’s easy to forget that something we take for granted now was unavailable outside of a clinical setting at the height of the pandemic.
 
It would not surprise me in the least if news broke that Trump was trying to work a deal to give Alaska to the Russians.
 
TitanNC said:
It would not surprise me in the least if news broke that Trump was trying to work a deal to give Alaska to the Russians.
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But that deal would only be to raise the money needed to buy Greenland. I mean Alaska is just a frozen, ice-covered wilderness with lots of natural resources that are hard to get to market. But GREENLAND! It's green. It could become the breadbasket of America! Have a new Homestead Act, where people get 160 acres in GREENLAND! Just imagine all those Jeffersonian Yeoman farmers heading out, with their families, to make a new life in GREENLAND!

ETA: LawTig2 beat me to it.
 
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I hadn’t thought of this song for ages and now this thread keeps activating this wasted brain cell

“… '65 love affair
We wasn't gettin' nowhere
But we didn't care
It was a crazy

'65 love affair
Rock 'n' roll was simple and clear
Oh, I still can hear I can hear it baby
Well I asked you like a dumb-dumb
You were bad with your pom-poms
You said ooh wah go team ooh wah go
Ooh-ee baby I want you to know

If I could go back in time
Well, I know somehow you'd still be mine
I wouldn't be so blind
To that wonderful

'65 love affair
When rock 'n' roll was simple and clear
Oh, I still can hear
I can hear it baby

Well, I tried to make you give in
One night at the drive-in
You said oh no baby, oh no woo
All of them changes you put me through

If I could go back in time
Well, I know somehow you'd still be mine
I wouldn't be so blind…”
 
CFordUNC said:
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The truly infuriating part of this is that, because it takes some nuance, the general public will never understand how bad this was.

The earliest stages of a pandemic is sharply different that the later stages. In the beginning when the first case or cluster or two of cases pops up in a densely packed city, you are playing for one thing and one thing only... time. It's literally just a matter of time before the infection spreads though your city. But at the earliest stages the outbreaks are small enough that rapid diagnosis and isolation of clusters can gain you precious time, maybe even weeks, before that happens. Time to marshal ventilators, PPE, and other resources, time to develop protocols, time to educate the public, time to develop mitigation strategies, time to identify effective treatment plans.

A couple of testing machines at the right place and time can translate into a week or two before the viral time bomb inevitable goes off. Those weeks could be used to literally save hundreds if not thousands of lives.

From a pure body count perspective, this is perhaps Trumps worst offense of all.
 
Ddseddse said:
The truly infuriating part of this is that, because it takes some nuance, the general public will never understand how bad this was.

The earliest stages of a pandemic is sharply different that the later stages. In the beginning when the first case or cluster or two of cases pops up in a densely packed city, you are playing for one thing and one thing only... time. It's literally just a matter of time before the infection spreads though your city. But at the earliest stages the outbreaks are small enough that rapid diagnosis and isolation of clusters can gain you precious time, maybe even weeks, before that happens. Time to marshal ventilators, PPE, and other resources, time to develop protocols, time to educate the public, time to develop mitigation strategies, time to identify effective treatment plans.

A couple of testing machines at the right place and time can translate into a week or two before the viral time bomb inevitable goes off. Those weeks could be used to literally save hundreds if not thousands of lives.

From a pure body count perspective, this is perhaps Trumps worst offense of all.
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It’s a treason-level betrayal.
 
IDK guys, I get that it looks bad... But I have to think that if the president of another country (even Russia) had called Biden asking for a few testing machines, he would have at least considered it, for diplomacy's sake.

Wasn't there a part in the book where Putin says not to make it public because it would make Trump look bad, and Trump said he didn't care? Sounded kinda like he didn't mind if it was public but Putin was like "Nah bro, they'll make this a huge story against you"

The seven calls, if true, is the story. Not the testing machines.
 
Illithor said:
IDK guys, I get that it looks bad... But I have to think that if the president of another country (even Russia) had called Biden asking for a few testing machines, he would have at least considered it, for diplomacy's sake.

Wasn't there a part in the book where Putin says not to make it public because it would make Trump look bad, and Trump said he didn't care? Sounded kinda like he didn't mind if it was public but Putin was like "Nah bro, they'll make this a huge story against you"

The seven calls, if true, is the story. Not the testing machines.
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That sounds like Putin manipulating Trump, not helping him out. Putin made a big deal in public during the pandemic about Russia not needing foreign assistance and things did not go well there.
 
Illithor said:
IDK guys, I get that it looks bad... But I have to think that if the president of another country (even Russia) had called Biden asking for a few testing machines, he would have at least considered it, for diplomacy's sake.

Wasn't there a part in the book where Putin says not to make it public because it would make Trump look bad, and Trump said he didn't care? Sounded kinda like he didn't mind if it was public but Putin was like "Nah bro, they'll make this a huge story against you"

The seven calls, if true, is the story. Not the testing machines.
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If you are talking about sending the machines to Mumbai where they will be used to save lives there, then I'm 100% with you. I'm of the (perhaps not universally shared) opinion that a single Indian life has equal value to a single American life, and at that point the calculation is simply a numbers game.

But if you're asking me to say that sending machines for the personal benefit of a world leader as an act of public diplomacy (or, more correctly, private diplomacy) is worth a single American life, then no, just no.
 
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