Trump, Gabbard press Obama “treason” claims

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rodoheel said:
As bad as Trump is he's more of the symptom than the disease, IMO.
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I think I disagree with this.

I think Trump has a unique level of charisma, and I think that if he were gone, a bunch of wannabes would/will absolutely destroy themselves trying to replace him.

I do think he is a symptom of greater ills, but he just has a power to coalesce and browbeat people around him that is unique. The only person right now I'd worry about replacing that level of cult devotion would be Elon, but he keeps digging his own grave every day in that regard.

MAGA is going to become a circular firing squad once he's gone. And the sooner the better IMO.

I'll take all the heat from the board conservatives that go, "Hey look, all these liberals wish he had been taken down" and ya'll can go, "No, that's just Tarspiel, he's a whacko."
 
TarSpiel said:
I think I disagree with this.

I think Trump has a unique level of charisma, and I think that if he were gone, a bunch of wannabes would/will absolutely destroy themselves trying to replace him.

I do think he is a symptom of greater ills, but he just has a power to coalesce and browbeat people around him that is unique. The only person right now I'd worry about replacing that level of cult devotion would be Elon, but he keeps digging his own grave every day in that regard.

MAGA is going to become a circular firing squad once he's gone. And the sooner the better IMO.

I'll take all the heat from the board conservatives that go, "Hey look, all these liberals wish he had been taken down" and ya'll can go, "No, that's just Tarspiel, he's a whacko."
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I don't agree with you about Butler, but I do agree Trump is a uniquely evil and malignant figure, and becoming more so every day. I would not love life under a Vance or Rubio presidency. But I'm quite confident those guys would be far, far less chaotic and destructive than Trump. They would move our national policy sharply to the right, but they wouldn't overtly pit half of Americans against the other.

It still boggles my mind every day that so many Americans not just voted for Trump in 2016, but then, after seeing what he did for four years and what he promised to do in the campaign, voted for him again in 2024. I don't say this lightly. I don't think there's a single American, and maybe not one in our history, who would be a worse president than Donald Trump.
 
lawtig02 said:
I don't agree with you about Butler, but I do agree Trump is a uniquely evil and malignant figure, and becoming more so every day. I would not love life under a Vance or Rubio presidency. But I'm quite confident those guys would be far, far less chaotic and destructive than Trump. They would move our national policy sharply to the right, but they wouldn't overtly pit half of Americans against the other.

It still boggles my mind every day that so many Americans not just voted for Trump in 2016, but then, after seeing what he did for four years and what he promised to do in the campaign, voted for him again in 2024. I don't say this lightly. I don't think there's a single American, and maybe not one in our history, who would be a worse president than Donald Trump.
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The crazy absurd possibility is SCOTUS will interpret XXII to mean no president can serve for two consecutive terms, but Trump is now running for his 2nd consecutive term which is allowed.

On a worse case basis, I think the country and our Democratic Republic would survive with Rubio as president for 4 years
 
nycfan said:


“This isn’t like evidence, this is like proof, irrefutable proof that OBAMA was se-DAY-shus [seditious, I assume, but he rhymes it with loquacious], that OBAMA led, was trying to lead a coup. And it was with Hillary Clinton, with all these other people.

But Obama headed it up. And you know I get a kick when I hear everyone talks about people I never even heard of, was it this or, no no, it was Obama. He headed it up. And it says so right in the papers. We got everything. Got everything.

This is the biggest scandal in the history of our country. And it really goes on to even the Autopen. Cause it all relates to the same thing, it all started the same sick minds. You have an Autopen, which is a tremendous where we don’t have a president, we have an Autopen that signs everything. [Motions to Philippines president] I bet you sign everything, you don’t have an Autopen. …”
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Is he talking about beloved Ted Lasso actor Jason “Sedaceous”?
 
TarSpiel said:
I think I disagree with this.

I think Trump has a unique level of charisma, and I think that if he were gone, a bunch of wannabes would/will absolutely destroy themselves trying to replace him.

I do think he is a symptom of greater ills, but he just has a power to coalesce and browbeat people around him that is unique. The only person right now I'd worry about replacing that level of cult devotion would be Elon, but he keeps digging his own grave every day in that regard.

MAGA is going to become a circular firing squad once he's gone. And the sooner the better IMO.

I'll take all the heat from the board conservatives that go, "Hey look, all these liberals wish he had been taken down" and ya'll can go, "No, that's just Tarspiel, he's a whacko."
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I agree with many parts of this. I do think Trump has a unique blend of charisma and depravity that few, if any. others can pull off. I do think that, in the right circumstances, the post-Trump Republican Party could pull itself apart as the hyenas compete in their likely pathetic efforts to imitate Trump. I simply think that (1) a situation where Trump was assassinated on the campaign trail would not be one where the party would tear itself apart through internal strife, and (2) you are underestimating just how ugly the MAGA base could and would have gotten in the wake of a Trump assassination - possibly spiraling out into something almost incomprehensibly ugly for the country as a whole. And at the end of it, I still think we would have ended up with Republicans winning the presidency, along with likely even more seats in Congress - potentially with a guy in Trump's place (Vance) who could be even more dangerous because he probably is (and his benefactor Peter Thiel certainly is) more serious about being an actual tyrant than Trump is.
 
rodoheel said:
I agree with many parts of this. I do think Trump has a unique blend of charisma and depravity that few, if any. others can pull off. I do think that, in the right circumstances, the post-Trump Republican Party could pull itself apart as the hyenas compete in their likely pathetic efforts to imitate Trump. I simply think that (1) a situation where Trump was assassinated on the campaign trail would not be one where the party would tear itself apart through internal strife, and (2) you are underestimating just how ugly the MAGA base could and would have gotten in the wake of a Trump assassination - possibly spiraling out into something almost incomprehensibly ugly for the country as a whole. And at the end of it, I still think we would have ended up with Republicans winning the presidency, along with likely even more seats in Congress - potentially with a guy in Trump's place (Vance) who could be even more dangerous because he probably is (and his benefactor Peter Thiel certainly is) more serious about being an actual tyrant than Trump is.
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I hope we never find out but I think Trump wants to be a tyrant far more than Vance would. I can’t stand Vance for innumerable reasons. But I don’t think he would be as overtly and unapologetically power hungry as Trump is right now. Trump is acting like an unfiltered version of Putin or Mussolini.
 
theel4life said:
What plot? There was no plot. What the fuck are they talking about?
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Anything they can to deflect people's attention from the Epstein Files and Trump's obviously panicked refusal to release them. Releasing FBI files on MLK, making wild bullshit claims about Obama, any shiny object that will divert the media and especially his base from the Epstein Files.
 
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