Trump, Gabbard press Obama “treason” claims

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Callatoroy said:
I am on record saying all the files should be released and the chips fall where they may. When has anyone on the left said the same about obama's russia hoax? I recognize trump might have been diddling underage girls and want to know for sure. You, don't care that obama might have been diddling his supporters and committed treason because you enjoy it.
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There is good research on both.

Rubio shared the information on Obama...and there was nothing there in addition to no hints.

They know what Trump did. Here, there are plenty of signals here...from Trump's own worse to accusations to the lies here.
 
Callatoroy said:
Clearly you weren't around on the zzl during the first trump term because there was near universal, years long orgasmic hope and dialogue knowing, praying, and expecting that trump was going to be found guilty of colluding with russia. "Collusion" was a more popular word during that time than "racist" if you can believe that. And now, you guys look like the fools and sheep you were / are because it was your saint obama who was heading up the effort to undermine an election and trump's first term. How many times does it take for your politicians and media to treat you like absolute fools and idiots before you start to question what you are being fed? You people are some sick idiots with your tribal belief that your side plays by the rules.
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But my dossier
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh, I'm waiting for it to all come out before passing judgement. Can't say the same about you. Biggest difference is that I want everything (trump, obama, hillary) to come out. You guys don't want anything other than trump to come out and what does you will immediately believe about trump and immediately dismiss about obama. It's looking more like trump is in the files. I want to know in what way. You don't have the same desire to know if saint obama committed treason.
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Remember that little Marco and committee has already cleared him. If this series of distractions from Epstein over the two weeks doesn't strain your credibility, then you need a check up from the neck up.
 
ChileG said:
Everyone agrees Russia interfered with the election. But the sitting president starting an investigation into it (which resulted in jail time for four Americans) was just a politically motivated hoax?
Let’s also not forget the special counsel investigation was started by republicans.
And the bipartisan senate intelligence committee did a year-long investigation to see if Crossfire Hurricane was politically motivated, and found no reason to believe it was.
But yeah, let’s take the word of the guy who lies as he breathes.

I’m fine with saying open the records and let the chips fall where they may. I said the same thing about Clinton email scandal, Biden/Ukraine, Benghazi. Nothing will come of this, I’m pretty confident. We shall see.
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If you want to know the truth. I respect that. But this has nothing to do with russia interfering with the election. This is about a sitting president colluding with, falsifying intelligence, and aiding the effort to create a fictitious story based on a knowingly false dossier to throw the election and undermine trump's administration. If someone thinks none of that matters, as LawTig does, then tribalism, division, and team politics will only get worse. If this were just more trump bluster then I chalk it up to distraction from the ep files. When bondi says she has irrefutable proof, I say ok, let me see and show me more.
 
Callatoroy said:
If this were just more trump bluster then I chalk it up to distraction from the ep files. When bondi says she has irrefutable proof, I say ok, let me see and show me more.
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Doesn't it make you suspicious that the admin is making all this effort to tell you what the conclusion is and where this scandal ranks in the pantheon of political scandals rather than letting this supposed irrefutable evidence speak for itself? Why would they need to spin it if it were so damning?
 
Callatoroy said:
If you want to know the truth. I respect that. But this has nothing to do with russia interfering with the election. This is about a sitting president colluding with, falsifying intelligence, and aiding the effort to create a fictitious story based on a knowingly false dossier to throw the election and undermine trump's administration. If someone thinks none of that matters, as LawTig does, then tribalism, division, and team politics will only get worse. If this were just more trump bluster then I chalk it up to distraction from the ep files. When bondi says she has irrefutable proof, I say ok, let me see and show me more.
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How many times do you have to be told there's irrefutable proof, only for it never to appear, before you realize you're being lied to?
 
Callatoroy said:
Clearly you weren't around on the zzl during the first trump term because there was near universal, years long orgasmic hope and dialogue knowing, praying, and expecting that trump was going to be found guilty of colluding with russia. "Collusion" was a more popular word during that time than "racist" if you can believe that. And now, you guys look like the fools and sheep you were / are because it was your saint obama who was heading up the effort to undermine an election and trump's first term. How many times does it take for your politicians and media to treat you like absolute fools and idiots before you start to question what you are being fed? You people are some sick idiots with your tribal belief that your side plays by the rules.
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You are every bit as compromised morally as Donald Trump.
 
Hold up. You think for one second Pam 'The Epstein Files are on my Desk' Bondi has 'irrefutable' proof of 'Treason'? Proof that the Trump administration overlooked for four year from 2017-2021 even when he was spouting about the setup the entire time? That just happens to appear when the president is trying to fight off FAR MORE substantive allegations of being associated with a convicted sex trafficker?

The phrase 'breathtaking credulity' doesn't even begin to capture your assessment of the situation.
 
Callatoroy said:
This is about a sitting president colluding with, falsifying intelligence, and aiding the effort to create a fictitious story based on a knowingly false dossier to throw the election and undermine trump's administration.
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Which Obama was already cleared of and we have seen no proof of.
And be honest, this doesn’t sound anything like the kind of thing Obama would do.
 
Callatoroy said:
Oh, I'm waiting for it to all come out before passing judgement. Can't say the same about you. Biggest difference is that I want everything (trump, obama, hillary) to come out. You guys don't want anything other than trump to come out and what does you will immediately believe about trump and immediately dismiss about obama. It's looking more like trump is in the files. I want to know in what way. You don't have the same desire to know if saint obama committed treason
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" It was your saint obama who was heading up the effort to undermine an election and trump's first term" yeah man totally sounds like you're waiting to pass judgment and not just repeating verbatim what Trump, Gabbard, and Bondi are saying (with zero evidence), LOL
 
rodoheel said:
" t was your saint obama who was heading up the effort to undermine an election and trump's first term" yeah man totally sounds like you're waiting to pass judgment and not just repeating verbatim what Trump, Gabbard, and Bondi are saying (with zero evidence), LOL
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I know you know this and it's been said a billion times, but the ONLY reason calla and his MAGA brethren have turned Hillary and Obama into such bogeymen is to try to create an absurdly false moral equivalence with the guy they've been supporting for the last 10+ years. They know he can't be defended on conventional terms, so they have to try to make it relative.

The reality is that Hillary and Obama are far from perfect, but they're ordinary. The only anomaly is Trump, and it's comparable to the anomaly between a mountain and a mole hill.
 
Callatoroy said:
This is about a sitting president colluding with, falsifying intelligence, and aiding the effort to create a fictitious story based on a knowingly false dossier to throw the election and undermine trump's administration. If someone thinks none of that matters, as LawTig does, then tribalism, division, and team politics will only get worse.
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If any of that were true, it would matter, but (1) prior investigations already determined to the contrary, and (2) no one in the Trump admin has offered anything but "bluster" to suggest differently. They can release whatever they want - no one on the left is scared of that. But the strong likelihood is that like Trump is simply lying about this the same way he lies about everything else.
 
rodoheel said:
If any of that were true, it would matter, but (1) prior investigations already determined to the contrary, and (2) no one in the Trump admin has offered anything but "bluster" to suggest differently. They can release whatever they want - no one on the left is scared of that. But the strong likelihood is that like Trump is simply lying about this the same way he lies about everything else.
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This whole kerfuffle is a wagonload of horseshit to misdirect the American people from a coverup.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!
 
Callatoroy said:
If you want to know the truth. I respect that. But this has nothing to do with russia interfering with the election. This is about a sitting president colluding with, falsifying intelligence, and aiding the effort to create a fictitious story based on a knowingly false dossier to throw the election and undermine trump's administration. If someone thinks none of that matters, as LawTig does, then tribalism, division, and team politics will only get worse. If this were just more trump bluster then I chalk it up to distraction from the ep files. When bondi says she has irrefutable proof, I say ok, let me see and show me more.
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Tell you what, calla. I'll withhold judgment on the Obama allegations until the evidence is presented. Tulsi and Pam say they have an irrefutable case, so what's the over-under on when we see the evidence? A month? Six? Three and a half years? I'll take the over no matter where you set it, and if it really is an irrefutable case of treasonous activity, I will apologize to you in a separate, stand-alone thread on this board, which I will ask Rock to pin to the top for a week. But if I win, you do the same. Deal?
 
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