Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread
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Sure it was…
‘“other than assume that the fourth American maxim that I hold dear, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” means something very different to Trump supporters than it does to me.”
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Without a doubt 100%
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3D chess, we can’t possibly understand.
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Not the first time but TBF the reply function helps others discern what you are responding to and gives context to an intentionally provocative post.
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I'm personally glad I can't think like them.
ZenMode
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As should be expected, Trump talked out of his ass to win and is now changing direction.
Does anyone have an issue (bolded), in principle, with what is being done?
Homan added that the Trump administration had to “reevaluate” its strategy over “officers’ safety concerns” after its plans to go after illegal immigrants in Chicago were leaked. The border czar said the concerns have been addressed and ICE agents are working toward Trump’s deportation goals “today.”
“ICE officers throughout the country were told today, ‘Go make arrests of those here illegally that have a public safety threat.’ So they’ve developed target sheets, an operational plan to go out in the field … so they’re out there right now looking for the most serious public safety threats throughout the country,” Homan said.
Homan added that there are over 700,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records currently walking free in the U.S.
“That’s who we’re looking for right now,” he said.
Does anyone have an issue (bolded), in principle, with what is being done?
Homan added that the Trump administration had to “reevaluate” its strategy over “officers’ safety concerns” after its plans to go after illegal immigrants in Chicago were leaked. The border czar said the concerns have been addressed and ICE agents are working toward Trump’s deportation goals “today.”
“ICE officers throughout the country were told today, ‘Go make arrests of those here illegally that have a public safety threat.’ So they’ve developed target sheets, an operational plan to go out in the field … so they’re out there right now looking for the most serious public safety threats throughout the country,” Homan said.
Homan added that there are over 700,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records currently walking free in the U.S.
“That’s who we’re looking for right now,” he said.
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They were leaked because he blurted it out at a party.
I have zero concern about targeting/seeking out immigrants with criminal charges for violent crime , drug dealing and felony property crime. I supported that approach in the prior administration as well. Not sure if the 700,000 includes people “walking free” in prison(?) but if it does seems better to leave them in prison for their sentence than free them early by deporting them.
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The people who are in favor of the deportation policy will never see these visuals.Don’t disagree but this election has been a good indication that nuance is not a thing in American politics at the moment. How are people going to react to a flood of similar visuals?
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So it’s pubs doing that? Or 1 pub? Because of all the things you guys bitch about pubs on here I don’t recall wanting to expand the empire or conquering other nations being in the top 100. But because trump made his comments and one dumbass gets on the news you, in full bloom TDS, make up some bullshit about pubs wanting to take other countries because you know whatever shit you throw against the wall will stick here. So, in summary, you are just mindlessly spouting bullshit.
What do Americans think of Trump's plans to acquire Greenland? Half say it's a bad idea.
A new USA TODAY/Suffolk University found a little more than half of Americans don't support Donald Trump's proposal to acquire Greenland.
www.usatoday.com
My opinion - if trump can acquire Greenland peacefully, in good faith, and with the majority support of those living there then I say hell yes. Do you disagree with that? If yes and it happened would you credit trump with that move?
100% disagree with that. First, Denmark is a core ally - we can achieve strategically whatever we need to achieve under the current NATO umbrella - the only reason we are interested in Greenland is national ego. Second, US participation in a free-for-all in which national borders are disregarded is a significant disruption to the global stability that we haven't seen in a nuclear age. God help us manage the nuclear proliferation issues over the next 50 years when most of East Asia and the Middle East become nuclear powers.
The cost of war is significantly higher than in Metternich's day. Moving on Greenland will be a strategic debacle. The nitwittedness of those who want to blow up the post-WW2 international order is breathtaking.
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Staggering bad faith when that one Republican is President and the leader of the party.
Or are you pretending this Representative came up with his himself in a vacuum?
Callatoroy
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Define “moving” on Greenland.
The only downside I see is it could potentially push Russia and China toward more aggression but they are already trying to expand. Acquiring Greenland peacefully ( purchasing) is not remotely the same as taking it.
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Staggeringly bad argument to say just because the potus says something that means the party agrees. Clearly per the article the majority of the party disagrees with him.
Clearly from the article that's unlikely to be true. Practically everybody who thinks Trump should pursue this would also have to be in the group that thinks it's good but unrealistic for that to be correct. Staggeringly bad argument on your part when your own source bites you in the ass. From your article.
But among Republicans, just 23% said Trump should pursue the policy, while around half – 48% – said it was good but unrealistic .
Your ability to see downside is remarkably short-sighted. This isn't a game of Risk, you fucking dumbass.
1. Denmark has an 800 year history with Greenland. It is not looking to sell, and would only sell it if a larger country effectively forced it to. I doubt that Denmark and the rest of NATO would view this process as "peaceful." We would lose ground with our most important US allies.
2 You underestimate how countries view the importance of international borders. The UK went to war over the Falklands; NATO went to war over Kuwait.
3. You are putting the entire post-WW2 international order at risk for little strategic benefit.
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Greenland is already cooperating with the United States with respect to these widely recognized strategic interests. How many times do Greenland’s representatives (not to mention Denmark) and polling need to say “no thanks” before pushing this point is not at all friendly? Does refusing to forswear use of force in this pursuit (acknowledging he would not use force of arms in Panama or Greenland was something Trump refused to do when given the opportunity)change your opinion?
Trump is creating friction with long term, very cooperative allies in ways that are bolstering the claims of our rivals/enemies in Russia and China that their expansionist aggression is legitimate.
This isn’t a matter of open cost-benefit analysis about acquiring an available resource. Denmark is didn’t put Greenland on the market (or even have the right to do so). Denmark politely but firmly said no and now literally has MPs telling Trump to fuck off. Greenland has politely but firmly said no but agreed to continue and perhaps expand their close cooperation with the United States. But Trump won’t take no for an answer and his rhetoric is leading to end more extreme rhetoric among MAGA lawmakers (like Andy Ogles saying the United States is a top predator).
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Maybe more polling is needed
Majority of Greenlanders favor Trump’s plan to join US: Poll
A new poll out of Greenland found its residents agree with President-elect Donald Trump’s suggestion that the country join the United States. Trump is the latest U.S. leader to attempt
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“Denmark politely but firmly said no and now literally has MPs telling Trump to fuck off.”
Maybe they aren’t telling him to fuck off
www.bbc.com
Maybe they aren’t telling him to fuck off
Up to Greenland to decide its future, Danish PM tells Trump
In her call with Trump, Mette Frederiksen also reiterated the Greenland PM's comments that it was "not for sale"
www.bbc.com
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Ttump, the undisputed godhead of the Republican Party, openly asserts, numerous times, he’s going to acquire Greenland (with progressively hostile rhetoric) = [hand wave] That’s one member of the party!!!
Elon Musk unequivocally sieg heils TWICE at a rally of thousands, and they erupt in cheers = [hand wave] Just bc one awkward, openly racist, supporter of the modern German Nazis does a sieg heil, to adoring cheers, doesn’t mean the Republican Party is a bunch of racist proto Nazis.
That’s how this shit will go, even through the inevitable police state, illegal detentions, and likely disappearances.
Elon Musk unequivocally sieg heils TWICE at a rally of thousands, and they erupt in cheers = [hand wave] Just bc one awkward, openly racist, supporter of the modern German Nazis does a sieg heil, to adoring cheers, doesn’t mean the Republican Party is a bunch of racist proto Nazis.
That’s how this shit will go, even through the inevitable police state, illegal detentions, and likely disappearances.