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I will not cry when:
- maga general contractors fall on their faces
- maga Stephanie and Chad have to scrub their owns toilets and raise their own children
- maga restaurants fall into disrepair and health code violations
- maga farmers are left begging for another bailout

On and on.

ETA: this impending humanitarian disaster will get violent. If you’re an undocumented immigrant who’s had steady work for 20 years churning the engine of the south Texas or California valley ag industry, and framing houses on the off days/season, are you going to voluntarily deport to a country with no economic opportunity or take your chances?
 
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finesse said:
I expect that, in a spirit of bipartisanship, they are going to invoke the spirit of their fellow populist, Andy Jackson and his crowning achievement, the Trail of Tears.
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It fits, as I believe that Jackson is Trump's favorite president. And his presidency was also a shitshow - he claimed that the 1824 election was stolen from him in a "corrupt bargain" between John Quincy Adams & Henry Clay, and then got revenge by beating Adams in a landslide four years later. He also had a powerful appeal to uneducated backwoodsmen (who nearly trashed the White House at his inaugural), his war against Clay's Second National Bank was popular enough to help him win a second term, as he framed it as a struggle between Eastern elites and "the common man", and it was also an economic disaster, leading to a stock market crash and depression starting in 1837 (since it started after he left office he never got any blame for it, but instead it was his successor Martin Van Buren who paid the price).

And when the US Supreme Court (led by Chief Justice John Marshall) ruled in favor of the Cherokee keeping their lands in the Southeastern US, Jackson basically said that it was John Marshall's ruling so he could enforce it and protect the Cherokee, not him, even though as President his oath was to enforce the law, including judicial decisions, (he probably should have been impeached and removed from office, but of course nothing happened.) And his refusal to enforce the Supreme Court decision and support for removing the Cherokee and other Southeastern tribes to Oklahoma was highly popular with white Southern planters, who wanted the Cherokee and other tribe's lands for themselves.
 
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BlooVooDoo said:
With thunderous applause
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No doubt the Trumper half will, I think the other half will be rightly horrified. But of course that half doesn't have any power at any level of the federal government, so there's nothing they can do to stop it. And all of those Latinos and Arab-Americans and others who voted for him (or just sat out the election and didn't vote for Harris) are going to be shocked when the Trumpers come for them too. But I doubt they'll get any sympathy, even from Harris voters.
 
HeelingAg said:
I will not cry when:
- maga general contractors fall on their faces
- maga Stephanie and Chad have to scrub their owns toilets and raise their own children
- maga restaurants fall into disrepair and health code violations
- maga farmers are left begging for another bailout

On and on.
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I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
 
EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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It’s why I post what I post. I’m going to be wrong about a few things, but in the grand scheme the consequences are right in our collective faces, and it should be documented time after time after time, because when it all starts to unravel there’re no reasons to placate the intellectually unserious and completely predictable right-winger responses.
 
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EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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Same way they blamed Biden for everything that happened in 2020 and didn’t blame/associate Trump with any of it.

newrepublic.com

Why Did Trump Win? These Dems Have Discovered a Very Disturbing Answer

Are you sitting down? Turns out it proved very hard to persuade swing voters that Trump was a bad president.
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“… Undecided voters didn’t believe that some of the highest profile things that happened during Trump’s presidency—even if they saw these things negatively—were his fault.

This was the case on two of the biggest issues in the campaign—the 2020 economic crash and demise of reproductive rights, the operative told me. The result: The good pre-Covid economy during the Trump years largely defined undecided voters’ impressions of him, and no message about his first term could persuade them to the contrary. …”
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No doubt the Trumper half will, I think the other half will be rightly horrified. But of course that half doesn't have any power at any level of the federal government, so there's nothing they can do to stop it. And all of those Latinos and Arab-Americans and others who voted for him (or just sat out the election and didn't vote for Harris) are going to be shocked when the Trumpers come for them too. But I doubt they'll get any sympathy, even from Harris voters.
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If social media is to be believed (it's always an extreme version of the truth) they will get absolutely zero sympathy.
 
EyeballKid said:
I’m curious about how they’ll blame Ds for these totally foreseeable consequences of the policies they voted for.
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Yep. This is precisely why I am not going to be bummed if the Democrats don’t flip the House. In many ways, it’s best if they don’t. Voters need to feel the full weight of the consequences (elections have consequences!!!) of the policy implications of their votes. I’m not saying that those policy implications won’t negatively impact all of us to varying degrees, but I think that the negative impact will disproportionately affect the median Trump voter significantly more so than the median Harris voter.

Let Trump be Trump. Let him implement these policies that he promised. Give the voters what they want.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yep. This is precisely why I am not going to be bummed if the Democrats don’t flip the House. In many ways, it’s best if they don’t. Voters need to feel the full weight of the consequences (elections have consequences!!!) of the policy implications of their votes. I’m not saying that those policy implications won’t negatively impact all of us to varying degrees, but I think that the negative impact will disproportionately affect the median Trump voter significantly more so than the median Harris voter.

Let Trump be Trump. Let him implement these policies that he promised. Give the voters what they want.
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Yep. This has been my thinking as well since the election. If this is what 51% of the country really wants, then give it to them. I also hope the Democrats don't take the House (although coming really close would be nice). Just let Trump & Company do what they want and see what happens. I think it will be a disaster for the economy and country in general, but as liberals can't stop it anyway just let them control the government. Of course they'll still try to blame Democrats, but it didn't work in 2017 and 2018 when they had control of all three branches and the Democrats gained 40 House seats in 2018 and picked up some governorships as well. Most Americans voted for this, so let them have it and face the consequences.
 
Here’s a story about how things went during Alabama’s statewide crackdown on illegal immigration a decade or so ago. They abandoned it pretty quickly… in Alabama.
www.nbcnews.com

How America's harshest immigration law failed

Alabama tried to kick out its undocumented immigrants with the harshest law in the country. Two year's later, the law's in ruins and the immigrants remain.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
For those pushing mass deportation, do they:
a) not care about the impact on the economy, which could be enourmous and ultimately sink the Trump administration
b) not smart enough to consider the impacts on the economy
c) think all of the jobs will be magically filled by American citizens despite current very low employment and high labor participation rates

I really don't understand the end game beyond simple nationalistic fervor.
 
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