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wmheel1287 said:
First off, this is a very incorrect broad brush. In many areas, the folks doing these jobs are VERY well paid regardless of their origin.

However, let's take your assertion at face value and say that these jobs can be filled with higher wage Americans. Where do those higher wages come from? And we arent talking marginally higher wages according to you...we are talking huge (again, according to you) leaps in wage. Won't the contractors and farmers have to dramatically raise the cost of their goods and services?

Furthermore, since unemployment is pretty danged low, what sector will these folks move from and what will those employers do for labor? It would seem they would have to also raise wages substantially to prevent loss of workforce.

Then all the other consumers must pay for these increased costs because they might be able to avoid construction and landscaping but they surely can't avoid food.

Isn't this precisely the kind of inflationary argument routinely made against large mandatory increases in minimum wage?
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I understand why you try to justify hiring them. Its nothing more than a cop out. Condoning hiring an illegal is as unAmerican as it gets in my book regardless of what they are getting paid. Reality is that most of the illegals are working at below minimum wage across the nation. Just because some are making a livable wage doesnt excuse the fact that you are hiring illegals and knowingly breaking the law. Its no different than being against child labor, but buying Nikes nevertheless.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
I understand why you try to justify hiring them. Its nothing more than a cop out. Condoning hiring an illegal is as unAmerican as it gets in my book regardless of what they are getting paid. Reality is that most of the illegals are working at below minimum wage across the nation. Just because some are making a livable wage doesnt excuse the fact that you are hiring illegals and knowingly breaking the law. Its no different than being against child labor, but buying Nikes nevertheless.
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Who has suggested that it was okay to hire illegals? No one on this page.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
I understand why you try to justify hiring them. Its nothing more than a cop out. Condoning hiring an illegal is as unAmerican as it gets in my book regardless of what they are getting paid. Reality is that most of the illegals are working at below minimum wage across the nation. Just because some are making a livable wage doesnt excuse the fact that you are hiring illegals and knowingly breaking the law. Its no different than being against child labor, but buying Nikes nevertheless.
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Im not trying to justify anything at all. I'm asking you the most surface level questions that will have to be answered of you remove millions of people (any people) from being workers in those industries.

What are your proposals to counter these easily foreseeable outcomes?

Oh, and the fact that these outcomes are so easily foreseeable is the reason nothing has been done by either party and the reason why it is laughable to think the Trump administration will follow through.

You want to turn the ENTIRE central part of the country blue in one election? Remove undocumented field workers. Pubs know this and thus will never tackle it.
 
finesse said:
I understand that they are illegal. You don't understand my point about drive and ambition. And yes, they are doing jobs others won't. Don't tell that trash to someone in construction for 45 years. I worked around and with enough people of all types to have a damned good sense of who will do what. I also doubt any of the ones I worked around in the last 20 years were only making 50 dollars.
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Again, they are doing jobs at a lot lesser pay across the board so dont tell me others wont do the job. They wont do it for that level of pay, correct. Just because you know a few who are paid fairly doesnt mean jack, jack. Reality is the majority are not paid fairly so people can make lots of money off of them. We do agree that the people hiring them illegally are to blame.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
Again, they are doing jobs at a lot lesser pay across the board so dont tell me others wont do the job. They wont do it for that level of pay, correct. Just because you know a few who are paid fairly doesnt mean jack, jack. Reality is the majority are not paid fairly so people can make lots of money off of them. We do agree that the people hiring them illegally are to blame.
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So your "experience" counts but not anybody else? Your eyes have to be brown.

What would paying those wages do to inflation? Why are you sure that would be enough? Can you grasp the concept that the irredeemably lazy that are native here are weeded out in large part by the very process of immigration?
 
Kristen Welker interviewed orangeturd He said deportations will begin with Murderers and rapists, Of course no one has any idea who these folks are-or they would have been arrested-yes even in "sanctuary cities'
So a bunch of ICE guys are going to be the brillant detectives that suddenly "find" all these murderers and rapists Because they can do a better job than NYC detectives .... you bet
 
OGtruthhurts said:
Again, they are doing jobs at a lot lesser pay across the board so dont tell me others wont do the job. They wont do it for that level of pay, correct. Just because you know a few who are paid fairly doesnt mean jack, jack. Reality is the majority are not paid fairly so people can make lots of money off of them. We do agree that the people hiring them illegally are to blame.
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I’ll ask again. How much more do the jobs need to pay before reliable American workers will do them? What does that add to the cost typical customers pay for the service you provide?
 
wmheel1287 said:
Im not trying to justify anything at all. I'm asking you the most surface level questions that will have to be answered of you remove millions of people (any people) from being workers in those industries.

What are your proposals to counter these easily foreseeable outcomes?

Oh, and the fact that these outcomes are so easily foreseeable is the reason nothing has been done by either party and the reason why it is laughable to think the Trump administration will follow through.

You want to turn the ENTIRE central part of the country blue in one election? Remove undocumented field workers. Pubs know this and thus will never tackle it.
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wmheel1287 said:
Im not trying to justify anything at all. I'm asking you the most surface level questions that will have to be answered of you remove millions of people (any people) from being workers in those industries.

What are your proposals to counter these easily foreseeable outcomes?

Oh, and the fact that these outcomes are so easily foreseeable is the reason nothing has been done by either party and the reason why it is laughable to think the Trump administration will follow through.

You want to turn the ENTIRE central part of the country blue in one election? Remove undocumented field workers. Pubs know this and thus will never tackle it.
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Everyone has a choice to hire illegals and you are 100% correct no party is going to do anything about it because its about nothing more than greed which both parties are controlled by. Illegals are no diff than guns and drugs...each are too engrained into our way of life. The people saying they are doing jobs legals wont do are fucking lying and are the very people hiring them illegally and profiting greatly from their misfortunes. Lets just be transparent about it and say the large majority are doing jobs at a shit wage so we can make more money. Kudos if you are hiring illegals and paying them a living wage, but you are still breaking a law, albeit a law not enforced. I have made a choice to hire vets who will do shit jobs at a very livable wage at my expense. Ive never had a problem finding workers.....never. i would have a huge problem finding vets who will do shit jobs at a wage illegals will do.
 
mpaer said:
Kristen Welker interviewed orangeturd He said deportations will begin with Murderers and rapists, Of course no one has any idea who these folks are-or they would have been arrested-yes even in "sanctuary cities'
So a bunch of ICE guys are going to be the brillant detectives that suddenly "find" all these murderers and rapists Because they can do a better job than NYC detectives .... you bet
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I'd argue that if they committed the murder/rape here that we should incarcerate them unless their host country agrees to jail them there..otherwise I'd worry that if we deport them they will be back in 3 months.
 
NCK9 said:
I'd argue that if they committed the murder/rape here that we should incarcerate them unless their host country agrees to jail them there..otherwise I'd worry that if we deport them they will be back in 3 months.
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They think these there are a bunch of undocumented murderers and rapists who served their time and then were allowed back in the US population.

Just delusional thinking.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
They think these there are a bunch of undocumented murderers and rapists who served their time and then were allowed back in the US population.

Just delusional thinking.
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Conversely, we have sheriffs in large metros that are refusing to work with ICE when they have 'bad hombres' that are booked for offenses like DUI, assault, theft, or even driving around without insurance. That needs to change.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
Again, they are doing jobs at a lot lesser pay across the board so dont tell me others wont do the job. They wont do it for that level of pay, correct. Just because you know a few who are paid fairly doesnt mean jack, jack. Reality is the majority are not paid fairly so people can make lots of money off of them. We do agree that the people hiring them illegally are to blame.
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You are full of shit. My company has made repeated efforts to hire vets, ex-cons, basically anyone. It is a light commercial operation in a relatively large city and we struggle to find anyone to fill line positions - many at wages well above minimum with as much OT as you want and ample opportunity to move up with the least bit of initiative. Well, we have a decent percentage of Venezuelan asylum seekers (some Ukes and SE Asians) and they are BY FAR the best people we have. Only ones who consistently show up on time and work hard all shift. They pay taxes like anyone else and are massive contributors to the economy. We E-verify, so we wind up turning down dozens of folks showing up who want to earn $13-$16/hour with benefits. In a relatively poor part of town, but few American citizens seem interested.
 
Gmonet said:
You are full of shit. My company has made repeated efforts to hire vets, ex-cons, basically anyone. It is a light commercial operation in a relatively large city and we struggle to find anyone to fill line positions - many at wages well above minimum with as much OT as you want and ample opportunity to move up with the least bit of initiative. Well, we have a decent percentage of Venezuelan asylum seekers (some Ukes and SE Asians) and they are BY FAR the best people we have. Only ones who consistently show up on time and work hard all shift. They pay taxes like anyone else and are massive contributors to the economy. We E-verify, so we wind up turning down dozens of folks showing up who want to earn $13-$16/hour with benefits. In a relatively poor part of town, but few American citizens seem interested.
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The following example has been posted repeatedly on here to illustrate what mass deportation and cracking down on illegal immigrants does to the economy, but Trumpers just keep conveniently ignoring it. In 2010 Alabama's GOP state government decided to do a major crackdown on illegal immigrants in the state. And it was a disaster. Within weeks farmers (many of them Republican) were complaining that their crops were rotting in the fields because they couldn't find people to pick them, and they started begging the state government to back off. I believe at one point the state was reduced to using convict labor to try and pick crops, but that was a failure too. Eventually the state government relented and backed off. The notion that businesses that rely on immigrant labor will be able to find nearly enough Americans to replace the lost labor is delusional, imo.
 
CNN reported earlier Thursday that Wiles was considered the front-runner for the job but had some reservations about the role and had expressed to Trump certain conditions before she accepted, a source said. At the top of the list was more control over who can reach the president in the Oval Office.

“The clown car can’t come into the White House at will,” the source said. “And he agrees with her.”

During Trump’s first term, his chiefs of staff struggled to prevent a roving cast of informal advisers, family members, friends and other interlopers from getting inside the White House to meet with him. Trump is often influenced on an issue by whoever he speaks to last, a fact that is well known within his circle and one that made life difficult on his top aides.

 
BlueSteel said:
My concern as well. If he actually does deny those outlets, welcome to the brave new world of authoritarian state media. Scary stuff here.
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Yeah, I don't have a warm fuzzy about that either. We shall see.

"If you want to know who your rulers are, find out who you aren't allowed to criticize." - Thomas Massie (R-KY, /s)
 
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