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finesse said:
I know you probably won't bother but this is a good look at illegal immigration the last quarter century from about as neutral a source as you're likely to find. Your numbers are clearly distorted and badly.

www.pewresearch.org

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.
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  • The number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico dropped to 4.0 million in 2022 from a peak of 6.9 million in 2007. Mexico has long been, and remains, the most common country of birth for unauthorized immigrants.
  • From 2019 to 2022, the unauthorized immigrant population from nearly every region of the world grew. The Caribbean, South America, Asia, Europe and sub-Saharan Africa all saw increases.
  • The unauthorized immigrant population grew in six states from 2019 to 2022 – Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Texas. Only California saw a decrease.
  • About 8.3 million U.S. workers in 2022 were unauthorized immigrants, an increase from 7.4 million in 2019. The 2022 number is essentially the same as previous highs in 2008 and 2011.
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When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.
 
StrangePackage said:
I put in as much effort to rebuttal as you put into supporting your initial points.

Others here have the patience to show you, at length, why you're wrong. Me, I'm just going to mock you.

And before you go on some self righteous diatribe about that dismissive attitude being why Trump won, let me cut you off- us mocking you for being stupid isn't what makes you support Trump - that comes from you being stupid.
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Lazy
 
PandemicBlue said:
When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.
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Do you have answer for the multiple industries that rely substantially on Unauthorized workers?
 
PandemicBlue said:
When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.
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That source has had an excellent reputation for a long time. You offer none. I've found numerous other sources that back up the one I posted. I'll just take it as you having nothing but a loud mouth and no facts.
 
Carolina Fever said:
Nothing says love your neighbor like raiding schools and churches to deport law abiding people and separating kids from their parents.
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Since you are so concerned about kids, how about reposting any of your previous posts regarding the 300,000+ missing migrant children the Biden Administration has lost. Repost your concerns about where they are and whether or not they are being exploited or sex trafficked. If you can't provide any previous post, then admit that you only care about migrant children when it fits your political agenda even if it requires being a hypocrite to do so.
 
mpaer said:
Do you have answer for the multiple industries that rely substantially on Unauthorized workers?
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Were those industries getting by 4 years ago? If so, how about you agreeing to just deport everyone who came in during the past 4 years? Or....how about requiring all these American citizens who are perfectly capable of working but who are not required to because they are allowed to live on welfare, how about requiring them to actually work and help take care of themselves and their families and maybe there won't be all these open jobs for illegal migrants? How does any of that sound?
 
PandemicBlue said:
When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.
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I did a Google and even used “illegal immigrants” and the first several sources all backed up what finesse said.
Do you have a source?

www.pewresearch.org

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

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cmsny.org

US Undocumented Population Increased to 11.7 Million in July 2023: Provisional CMS Estimates Derived from CPS Data - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

The sharp rise in arrivals at the U.S. southern border has added extra urgency to questions about the size and growth of the undocumented population.
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PandemicBlue said:
Since you are so concerned about kids, how about reposting any of your previous posts regarding the 300,000+ missing migrant children the Biden Administration has lost. Repost your concerns about where they are and whether or not they are being exploited or sex trafficked. If you can't provide any previous post, then admit that you only care about migrant children when it fits your political agenda even if it requires being a hypocrite to do so.
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Well show us a credible link about the 300,000 being lost
 
ChileG said:
I did a Google and even used “illegal immigrants” and the first several sources all backed up what finesse said.
Do you have a source?

www.pewresearch.org

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.
www.pewresearch.org www.pewresearch.org

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ohss.dhs.gov

cmsny.org

US Undocumented Population Increased to 11.7 Million in July 2023: Provisional CMS Estimates Derived from CPS Data - The Center for Migration Studies of New York (CMS)

The sharp rise in arrivals at the U.S. southern border has added extra urgency to questions about the size and growth of the undocumented population.
cmsny.org cmsny.org
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Just give me the cliff notes version of how many people, in total, your source says entered the US during Biden's term.
 
Lolololol PandemicBlew is suffering from severe Biden Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately, there's no cure.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lolololol PandemicBlew is suffering from severe Biden Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately, there's no cure.
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No, but America made sure we will be dealing with a past president. Just imagine how much Joe Biden's administration must have sucked for the majority of America to have voted for Trump no matter how bad the left tried to make him look. Just proves millions of people are simply not that stupid.
 
PandemicBlue said:
No, but America made sure we will be dealing with a past president. Just imagine how much Joe Biden's administration must have sucked for the majority of America to have voted for Trump no matter how bad the left tried to make him look. Just proves millions of people are simply not that stupid.
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Lololololol yeah, you're right, PandemicBlew, the last four years were just SO bad with record low unemployment, a booming stock market, wage growth, the greatest economy in the entire world, violent crime levels at decades-lows, all-time low number of uninsured people, cheap prescription drugs, trillion-dollar investment in rural communities, the return of manufacturing jobs from overseas, and post-pandemic inflation that was finally tamed in accordance with the Fed's 2% target.

Looks like people ARE simply that stupid. You don't have to have liked Joe Biden. You can even hate him! You can even hate Democrats, liberals, the left, and everything associated with it! But you aren't entitled to your own facts and alternative reality. The reality is the last four years were among the most prosperous in U.S. history- here's to President Donald J. Trump continuing that success and even expanding upon it!
 
mpaer said:
GO for it
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You just exposed yourself. Remember when those networks, the ones you believe tell you the truth, remember when they told you Donald Trump colluded with Russia, or when they told you Jussie Smollett was the victim, or the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation, or Nick Sandmann was the aggressor, or border agents were whipping migrants, or when Alejandro Mayorkas told you the border was secure? Do you remember when CNN and MSNBC lied to you all those times? And now they are still the sources you will believe? Bo, come on now. Time to wake up.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lololololol yeah, you're right, PandemicBlew, the last four years were just SO bad with record low unemployment, a booming stock market, wage growth, the greatest economy in the entire world, violent crime levels at decades-lows, all-time low number of uninsured people, cheap prescription drugs, trillion-dollar investment in rural communities, the return of manufacturing jobs from overseas, and post-pandemic inflation that was finally tamed in accordance with the Fed's 2% target.

Looks like people ARE simply that stupid. You don't have to have liked Joe Biden. You can even hate him! You can even hate Democrats, liberals, the left, and everything associated with it! But you aren't entitled to your own facts and alternative reality. The reality is the last four years were among the most prosperous in U.S. history- here's to President Donald J. Trump continuing that success and even expanding upon it!
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Why did Biden lose? If all of which you posted is actually true, what happened? Seems like America would have been chomping at the bit to re-elect a man capable of delivering everything you just stated. WHAT HAPPENED?
 
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