Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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farce© said:
Bingo. Scroll back a few pages and I predicted all the Trump voters here who have been silent for 3-4 days would be here defending this nonsense just as soon as the right wing media gave them their talking points.
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No reason to comment on all that is going on in Trump world until things have time to play out. The tariff issue worked itself out and Trump didn’t plunge the economy into a 2nd Great Depression. I see no reason to weigh in at every step while the sausage is being made.
 
Ramrouser said:
We don’t know that. It appears Trump got additional concessions like the joint strike force and Canada agreeing to declare the cartel as a terrorist organization. Also, there will be additional negotiations over the next 30 days while the pause is in effect.
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Wow, agreeing to declare a terrorist organization a terrorist organization.

What amazing results. Well worth all of the market fluctuation, diminished relationship with our closest allies, and new opportunities given to China to fill the international trade vacuum that was created by our fickle leader proving the U.S. couldn't be trusted to have our allies' backs.

Gullible cucks, each and every one of you.
 
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Ramrouser said:
We don’t know that. It appears Trump got additional concessions like the joint strike force and Canada agreeing to declare the cartel as a terrorist organization. Also, there will be additional negotiations over the next 30 days while the pause is in effect.
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Did you see Trudeau's announcement. He said multiple times, "we are and will be."

The only thing Trump got was a "fentanyl czar" which is hilarious because Canada doesn't have "czars" in the way we do. Their executive branch doesn't work that way.

Meanwhile, Mexico actually agreed to a reduced troop presence on the border, so there's that.

This is all a repeat of the hilarious LNG debacle from years ago. World leaders have figured out that if you call Trump's bluff, he will back down, and you can make illusory promises because Trump has no idea how the world actually works or any of the facts on the ground.

And all the while, interest rates are still elevated; business investment will fall; and Americans everywhere got anxiety about their economic prospects. It should not be the job of the US president to scare the fuck out of autoworkers just so he can score a photo op.
 
It seems like Canada and Mexico are managing Trump rather well. The biggest parts of their promises to him are things they either made a deal with Biden for, or things they were already planning to do. If you can make the same promise twice and get a lunatic off your back, all the better.
 
CFordUNC said:
It seems like Canada and Mexico are managing Trump rather well. The biggest parts of their promises to him are things they either made a deal with Biden for, or things they were already planning to do. If you can make the same promise twice and get a lunatic off your back, all the better.
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Sheinbaum literally entertained Trump with a bit of military theater. I’m really struggling to see how it can be justified as a win for him.
 
CFordUNC said:
It seems like Canada and Mexico are managing Trump rather well. The biggest parts of their promises to him are things they either made a deal with Biden for, or things they were already planning to do. If you can make the same promise twice and get a lunatic off your back, all the better.
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I'm pretty sure Mexico decreased their troop commitment. Trump, of course, being clueless, thought Mexico had zero troops. So when she said 10K, Trump jumped on it. Never mind that there were 15K there last year. LOL.
 
Paine said:
Sheinbaum literally entertained Trump with a bit of military theater. I’m really struggling to see how it can be justified as a win for him.
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Does Trump get to call it a win and MAGA and the GOP agree?

In their world, that’s a win. A YUGE WIN!
 
Ramrouser said:
No reason to comment on all that is going on in Trump world until things have time to play out.
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Then why are you posting now?

It’s silly to think anything meaningful or enforceable was agreed to today. Remember when Trump pulled out a single sheet of paper from his coat pocket and said it was his health care plan that he was about to release? I doubt this will end up being appreciably different.
 
Trump seems like he would be easily fooled into thinking he won something when he really didn't.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Wow, agreeing to declare a terrorist organization a terrorist organization.

What amazing results. Well worth all of the market fluctuation, diminished relationship with our closest allies, and new opportunities given to China to fill the international trade vacuum that was created by our fickle leader proving the U.S. couldn't be trusted to have our allies' backs.
Gullible cucks, each and every one of yo
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If it was such a no brainer why didn’t the last administration declare the cartel a terrorist organization as all hell was breaking out on the border with human trafficking and fentanyl? No, Biden was more interested in REMOVING the Houthi Rebels from having that designation - and that sure worked out well.
 
ChileG said:
Then why are you posting now?

It’s silly to think anything meaningful or enforceable was agreed to today. Remember when Trump pulled out a single sheet of paper from his coat pocket and said it was his health care plan that he was about to release? I doubt this will end up being appreciably different.
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Crisis well on its way for a successful resolution in US’s favor. Thus, time to comment. Waiting to see how DOGE and the other policies play out.
 
Ramrouser said:
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If it was such a no brainer why didn’t the last administration declare the cartel a terrorist organization as all hell was breaking out on the border with human trafficking and fentanyl? No, Biden was more interested in REMOVING the Houthi Rebels from having that designation - and that sure worked out well.
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Because declaring the cartel a terrorist organization accomplishes NOTHING. It's of dubious legality, and it's pointless. It will be a litigation magnet and cost us money in lawyers' fees for no reason.

The terrorist designation means that people can't send money to the cartels. People already can't send money to the cartels under the Drug Enforcement Act, various anti-money laundering statutes, and federal reserve regulations.

I don't think in Canada there are *any* consequences to being declared a terrorist organization. I don't think Canada has any special laws that would apply. About that, I could be wrong as I'm no expert in Canadian law. But it is 100% true that the cartels are exactly as safe and cushy today as they were last week.
 
Ramrouser said:
Crisis well on its way for a successful resolution in US’s favor. Thus, time to comment. Waiting to see how DOGE and the other policies play out.
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1. The crisis was started by Trump;
2. Trump convinced Mexico to ***REDUCE*** their troop level at the border;
3. Absolutely nothing was done about fentanyl;
4. Americans fear for their jobs and people lost a lot of money in the trading dip this morning (though I don't feel badly for day traders)
5. Trump has shown the world how easily he can be rolled;
6. Business investment in America will suffer because of Trump's unpredictability and stupidity

WINNING!1!!1! The whole world is literally laughing at America.

Oh, and Canada agreed to create a fictitious position in their government. YAY!!
 
superrific said:
Because declaring the cartel a terrorist organization accomplishes NOTHING. It's of dubious legality, and it's pointless. It will be a litigation magnet and cost us money in lawyers' fees for no reason.

The terrorist designation means that people can't send money to the cartels. People already can't send money to the cartels under the Drug Enforcement Act, various anti-money laundering statutes, and federal reserve regulations.

I don't think in Canada there are *any* consequences to being declared a terrorist organization. I don't think Canada has any special laws that would apply. About that, I could be wrong as I'm no expert in Canadian law. But it is 100% true that the cartels are exactly as safe and cushy today as they were last week.
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Trump is all theater. He accomplishes nothing except to destroy the credibility of the United States.
 
Let's not forget, the Dow dropped over 600 points this morning. If tariffs went into effect and stayed in effect, I strongly believe the stock market response would have gotten much worse.

I, for one, am not in favor of playing russian roulette with the economy for dubious results.
 
Anyone remember when Homer Simpson got promoted to safety inspector and accidents decreased dramatically?
Mr. Burns took that as a sign that Homer must be a fantastic inspector.
Withers pointed out that accidents decreased by the same amount that Homer caused in his prior position.

Not sure what made me think of that.

Okay, back to Trump saving us from disaster.
 
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