Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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I think some of you all who argue that Trump will follow court orders just don’t understand that we are in a new era that we were not in during his previous administration.

1. Trump now knows that impeachment and removal is for all intents and purposes impossible. This wasn’t entirely clear to Trump until after he left office.

2. There are already plans to get rid of a lot of generals and most government employees who are not sufficient loyal to Trump.

3. Trump now knows that he will never face criminal prosecution for decisions he makes while in office.

Add all of those together, there is really nothing left to keep Trump within the law.

He’ll probably play along with the courts for a while but I don’t think he would hesitate to defy the court when necessary. And once he does it once, he’ll do it over and over. SCOTUS knows this so they would likely just rule in Trump’s favor on the less offensive things to maintain the appearance that they still have power.

It is possible that Trump will cross some line that 20 or so Republican senators would find so reprehensible that they would convict him on impeachment especially if Trump is weakened politically because he crashed the economy. But first that would have to be brought up to the floor of the house.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
2. There are already plans to get rid of a lot of generals and most government employees who are not sufficient loyal to Trump.
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Does the president have full power to hire or fire military leaders at will? I've never considered that issue before. There have to be some limits, right? Maybe not.
 
superrific said:
Does the president have full power to hire or fire military leaders at will? I've never considered that issue before. There have to be some limits, right? Maybe not.
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10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
 
superrific said:
Does the president have full power to hire or fire military leaders at will? I've never considered that issue before. There have to be some limits, right? Maybe not.
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POTUS can’t easily remove someone from the Army, but can reassign them to a broom closet at Ft. Johnson (formerly Polk).
 
superrific said:
That remains to be seen. It depends on how he wants to use it. One would hope that our top brass would refuse to follow illegal orders.
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What do the vast majority of the military think about Trump? I know some retired military, ex-military, and just a few active duty folks, they all seem to be either pretty apolitical or generally ok with Trump. But I am asking about the top dogs, like what do they think about Trump. During the Bush administration, I knew active duty, lower on the totem pole guys that were evenly split on GWB, but the few higher ups I knew at the time were generally pretty Pro-GWB/Cheney. But I am not as connected as I was then while in college and doing internships with congressional reps. Just didn;t know if you had any insight here? I can't imagine the top brass would be real thrilled with him.
 
I looked up the section in P2025 and it states that they will reduce the number of high ranking officers by cutting back the number of promotions to Colonel and above. (Side note: That can’t be popular among Lt Colonels.)

Didn’t actually see anything that talked about firing generals so I will take that part back.

Still have my suspicions that that will be coming but will not claim that firing generals is a stated goal.
 
Calheel said:

10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
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he could also bring them up on whatever charges they see fit. It's not like fascists have an honor code.
 
Representative Michael Waltz to be NatSec Advisor.

Former Representative Lee Zeldin to run EPA.

Marco Rubio to be Sec of State.
 
altmin said:
he could also bring them up on whatever charges they see fit. It's not like fascists have an honor code.
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Maybe, but Judge Advocates who would prosecute such cases are probably the most anti-Trump area of the Army. The lesser-known Vindman brother was a JAG and very popular within the JAG community. Military judges also don’t work the same way as the rest of the federal judiciary, as they are not appointed by POTUS, but rather by the Judge Advocate General, and a new TJAG just started a new 5 year term this year. Thats not to say there aren’t pro-Trump JAGs, but they’re definitely rarer than pro-Trumpers in other parts of the Army.
 
nycfan said:
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That's the beauty of a cult. The rules are whatever the leader says that they are, and at whatever time he says them.

"Rubio bad? Oh, sorry, Rubio good now."

This is also why it is so difficult to pin down MAGA on almost anything.
 
Calheel said:

10 USC §1161​

§1161. Commissioned officers: limitations on dismissal​

(a) No commissioned officer may be dismissed from any armed force except-

(1) by sentence of a general court-martial;

(2) in commutation of a sentence of a general court-martial; or

(3) in time of war, by order of the President.
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What about the 'up or out' system? Was that just an informal policy where they give you a crap assignment to get you out if you weren't getting promoted?
 
NCK9 said:
What about the 'up or out' system? Was that just an informal policy where they give you a crap assignment to get you out if you weren't getting promoted?
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I think for officers you could remain but would be dropped down to enlisted rank.

Obviously not many would choose that route.
 
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