No. The Religious Right has been Republican since Reagan because they thought he would support segregation in religious schools like Liberty and Bob Jones. The poorly educated largely left when LBJ signed the Civil Rights act.
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JCTarheel82
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Yikes. Sorry, guys. Didn't mean to trigger the bad faith contrarian Taco bot. That's why I typically don't engage with that poster no matter how innocuous it may seem.
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Please do not compare Trump to Archie Bunker. Archie was misguided and often wrong but ALWAYS had a good heart. Trump isn't anywhere close to an Archie Bunker.
If you want a television comparison for Trump, I suggest more along the lines of Joffrey Baratheon.
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I don't think it's a surprise to say that there is a decent number of voters who, regardless of the candidate, are going to vote because there is an R or a D next to their name. That is their only criteria.
I truly believe there are a large number of people, religious or not, who will move back and forth between parties depending on who the presidential candidate is. Like I said, Biden got the most votes of any candidate in the history of the country. There was nothing exceptional about him that would justify that. People came out in huge numbers to vote against Trump, I believe, because Trump is a piece of shit and Biden was a center left, traditional Democrat who had really no ties to the woke / cancel culture/identity politics/trans activist arm of the Democratic Party. Trump pounded on Kamala for her view on taxpayer funded sex change operations for illegal immigrants who were incarcerated. She did quite literally nothing to separate herself from those past views. Those views are ludicrous. To imagine that that's how taxpayer money should be spent is just insanity and I think voters responded.
Of course there was more to than that, but if Democrats keep taking the approach that 75 million people in the country are just uneducated, hyper religious fools... They are in for a rude awakening at the polls.
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Biden did win the popular vote by a decent margin (about 4.5%) but he barely squeaked by in the electoral college, so it was not an ass kicking. As for why, I don't think it's an accident that Biden was male and Hillary and Kamala were women. And Biden also had Trump's disastrous handling of covid (and it was awful) and sharp economic downtown during covid to thank for that win as well. It was a lot harder to justify voting for Trump when he was still in office and had been for four years, as opposed to Hillary where he hadn't served as POTUS yet, or like Kamala where people had four years to apparently develop amnesia about him. And exactly how were Hillary and Kamala "woke" and Biden wasn't?
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Dude, you do realize that the EC beat Hillary, not trump, correct? If she and the democrats' policies are so off base how the fuck did she get more votes than a lying charlatan that promised everything to everyone?
No, you are pushing back against trans activism, why not just admit that you hate trans people and will be voting republican for the foreseeable future? We all know your position, it's clear, you can stop repeating yourself.
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Honestly, by posting that large numbers of Trump voters voted for him because they honestly believed that Kamala was going to support taxpayer-funded prison sex change operations (and that this was a major problem in our society) you're just undermining your own argument. You really do have to be gullible or poorly-informed in the extreme to believe that this is a real problem in our society - in other words, a rube. And I also disagree that there are large numbers of people who switch between the parties anymore - the election results since 2000 (with the exception of Obama's decisive 2008 win) would certainly seem to argue against your position.
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So, you're over playing the fence...
Finally, just admitting where you stand. That's nice. I'd rather discuss things with the people on the right here instead of your constant contrarian, bosiding, fence sitting bullshit.
And you can stop telling us how you hate trans people, it's very clear from all of your statements.
A for what it's worth. As of October, there has been two such surgeries in federal care total. Notice it was required by a federal court.
At the time, no federal prisoner had received gender-affirming surgery. The first gender-affirming surgery was provided to a U.S. federal prisoner in 2022, after a federal court ruling stated that the government was required to provide this care. A second surgery took place in 2023.
At the time, no federal prisoner had received gender-affirming surgery. The first gender-affirming surgery was provided to a U.S. federal prisoner in 2022, after a federal court ruling stated that the government was required to provide this care. A second surgery took place in 2023.
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Don't tell the uninformed republicans that. They know that 50% of federal prisoners are having gender affirming surgery, just like trump told them that a boy could go to school and come home a girl.
Some posters here are proving to fall squarely in that uninformed voter category.
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Because I don't hate anyone based on such ridiculously trivial characteristics and I didn't vote for Trump in any election. I also voted for (D) Ruben Gallego because Kari Lake is a MAGA nut.
I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just waiting for one party to nominate a decent presidential candidate and for that candidate to express some reasonable views on a variety of topics, including social topics....and to be honest.
I didn't mention the border, but that was also a deciding factor for voters.
Remember when the Democratic Party was the party of the middle class? So do I.
The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:
“Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24)
“Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23)
“Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17).
Why America Chose Trump: Inflation, Immigration, and the Democratic Brand - Blueprint
Harris couldn’t outrun her past or her party— it was a vice grip that proved impossible to escape.
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So a few posts above you drew attention to the amount of the settlement as "significant," implying the amount was damaging, but now it's irrelevant? All righty...have it your way, counselor
And Stephanopoulos' show, This Week, routinely competes with Meet The Press for the top slot in the Sunday show ratings (a quick google search will confirm this if you like). No way is ABC getting rid of him for that. Only way he loses his show is if your orange god-king pressures ABC to do it through corrupt/loyalist government officials after he takes office, which is a far more likely possibility.
And you've mischaracterized Kristol's quotation. Here is his tweet:
The "inflection point" doesn't refer to ABC paying Trump because of what George "Slopadopalous" (as Trump calls him) said, but because they gave up without a fight, essentially bending the knee in advance to a would-be autocrat or what will likely be an imperial presidency. Note his use of the word "Orbanization."
I can't help but feel that this is a bad-faith argument....color me shocked.
Oh my. Yeah, that’s a completely different quote than Ramrouser suggested. And Kristol is 100% right about that.
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So your argument is that 75-million plus people voted against Kamala Harris because they honestly believed that taxpayer-funded transgender surgeries are a serious issue and that "woke" policies (and let's be honest here, you're really talking about the Democrat's support of LGBTQ people) are killing Democrats at the polls. Have you seen that 2022 survey of Americans which showed that they vastly exaggerated the percentages of gay and lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in our society (and blacks and atheists, for that matter)? I would be willing to be that those who do vastly exaggerate the numbers of these people are mostly Trumpers, and they are totally and utterly wrong in their assumptions. So what would you call these people (and yes, that includes any Democrats who believe that blacks are 30% of the population instead of about 12 to 13%)? Some nice words that might be used are poorly-informed, unrealistic, or mistaken. Some harsher and more accurate terms are gullible, ignorant, easily-conned, and yes, rubes. And nowhere did I say that all Trumpers are uneducated (they don't have a college degree, they're not "uneducated") or hyper religious, although a majority of them likely are Evangelical "hyper religious".
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The Alienation of Jaime Cachua
His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.
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His wife was spiraling into insomnia, and his children were afraid to go to school, so Jaime Cachua sought out the person he trusted most in a crisis. He sat at his kitchen table in rural Georgia across from his father-in-law, Sky Atkins, the family patriarch. Jaime, 33, hadn’t seen his own father since he was 10 months old, when he left Mexico in a car seat bound for the United States. It was Sky, 45, who had stood by Jaime at his wedding, helped him move into his first house and stayed at the hospital overnight when one of Jaime’s children was sick with pneumonia.The Alienation of Jaime Cachua
His friends and family members in Rome, Ga., voted to support mass deportation. Now he’s scrambling to stay in the country.www.nytimes.com
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“We have to prepare for the worst-case scenario,” Jaime told him. “There’s a chance we could lose everything.”
“Isn’t that a bit dramatic?” Sky asked. “How? Help me understand.”
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“I’m going to be straight with you,” he told Jaime. “I voted for Trump. I believe in a lot of what he says.”
“I figured as much,” Jaime said. “You and just about everyone else around here.”
“It’s about protecting our rights as a sovereign country,” Sky said. “We need to shut down the infiltration on the border. It’s not about you.”
“It is about me,” Jaime said. “That’s the thing I don’t understand.”
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“I’ve never felt like a foreigner until now,” he told Sky.
“I’m not going to let anything happen that puts your family at risk,” Sky said.
“It already did,” Jaime said.
“All those criminals that Trump’s been talking about — the rapists, the gang members — that’s not you,” Sky said. He had heard Trump say that he would deport “the bad guys” first and possibly show leniency to immigrants who had been brought to the country as children.
“You deserve to be here,” Sky said. “To me, you’re basically American.”
“But I’m not,” Jaime said.
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Meanwhile, Jaime had never broken a law of any kind. He worked 50 hours each week at the dealership, drove below the speed limit, paid his taxes on time and smoothed the creases out of books before returning them to the library. But no amount of adherence to the rules made up for the one he’d broken before he was old enough to walk or talk, when his family drove him across the border because his mother had found work at a chicken-processing plant outside Rome. More than 30 years later, his presence remained illegal. He wasn’t eligible for Social Security, or food stamps, or unemployment benefits or any kind of health insurance he could afford.
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“How?” Jaime asked. “I’m registered because of DACA. They know our address. They know where I work. If they want to start grabbing people, I’m the easiest one to get.”
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Jennifer’s family had lived in Rome for generations, and she had barely stopped to consider Jaime’s immigration status in their first months together. She assumed it was a simple paperwork issue that would be fixed by their marriage, or by having children together who were born in the United States, but instead they’d spent years running up against the obstacles and expenses of the country’s narrow pathway to citizenship. She had been manic ever since the election, often forgetting to eat or sleep. She was making to-do lists, researching legal codes, starting fund-raisers and leading prayer circles, even as Jaime sometimes seemed increasingly withdrawn.
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Sky pulled into Jaime’s cul-de-sac and carried his go bag into the house. Nowhere could he sense the country’s political tensions escalating like inside his own family. He shared a house with his father, but they hadn’t spoken for 13 months, ever since his father accused Sky of being a “radical foot soldier” for Trump. His sister-in-law was transgender, but Sky refused to use new pronouns or change the way he talked, because, he said, he “didn’t believe in that PC crap.” His wife, a Democrat, had briefly considered moving out a few days after the election, accusing Sky of betraying their Hispanic grandchildren with his vote.
And now he was navigating another divide with Jaime, whom Sky said he cared for like a son. Sky had been skeptical when Jennifer first introduced him to Jaime, worrying that she would complicate her life by marrying an undocumented immigrant, but Jaime had proven himself as “a devout Christian, a great father, a model family man,” Sky said.
Jaime handed his 1-year-old son to Sky and told him about his latest, long-shot plan before Trump took office: to travel back to Mexico, wait for paperwork, re-enter the United States and then apply for legal residency. He and Jennifer had an appointment with an immigration lawyer in Atlanta, and Jaime said they might need help with child care, legal fees and letters of support.
“It’s stupid that they make it this hard for someone like you,” Sky said.
“We agree,” Jaime said.
“I know it might not always seem like it, but I’ve got your back,” Sky said. “I like Trump, but he’s a blowhard. He’s a salesman. He’ll toughen things up on the border, but he’s not actually coming after people like you. Nobody’s putting you on a bus unless they get by me.”
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Don't you know it's the Dems' fault for the majority of the people being either racist and bigoted Christian nationalists, greedy, or just plain fools for electing Trump?
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It's actually very troubling to me that you, claiming to be a lawyer, don't understand what Kristol meant by "inflection point." I'm going to give you a hint: He's agreeing with us, not you.
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Supply of compassion exhausted. No fucks available to give.
But at least they can feel safe about being exposed to trans people and now eggs and groceries will come down (er, well, maybe not anymore...it's hard to get prices down after they're up, you know?).
But at least they can feel safe about being exposed to trans people and now eggs and groceries will come down (er, well, maybe not anymore...it's hard to get prices down after they're up, you know?).