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Ramrouser said:
Yes but 15M + attorney’s fees + public apology is not a nuisance value settlement. ABC’s attorneys knew their client faced major exposure for George’s defamatory statement; hence, the substantial settlement.
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That's exactly what it is to ABC. That would be like me settling a case out of court for 50 dollars.
 
I’s not just the money. You’re severely damaging the reputation of one of your top news anchors by acknowledging liability. It was not even a confidential settlement. The Trump team likely insisted it be public.

George likely loses his Sunday show over this.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
It's not a mistake to say that many of Trump's followers show many of the classic traits of a cult. And while Trump made gains among minorities, the vast majority of his votes still come from white, Evangelical, very socially and culturally conservative rural and suburban people.
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There is definitely a cult following among some Trump supporters. You can usually spot them with their ridiculous flags and hats. However, I think a significant portion of the Democratic Party, and I'm stealing a term from silence of the lambs, wants to paint anyone who voted for Trump as a rube.

That is a major mistake, IMO, and
that perception will probably keep hurting Democrats politicians.
 
Ramrouser said:
I’s not just the money. You’re severely damaging the reputation of one of your top news anchors by acknowledging liability. It was not even a confidential settlement. The Trump team likely insisted it be public.

George likely loses his Sunday show over this.
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Damaging it for whom? The Trumpista morons who already don't trust mainstream media? Big fucking deal.

They ARE actually damaging their reputation, just not in the way that you think. They are damaging it because they laid down to an adjudicated felon and rapist just so he wouldn't come after them when he took office. They took the coward's way out, which is exactly the kind of thing that needs to take place in a society for authoritarianism to take root.

Their reputation is going to take a hit from the left, not the right.
 
Never Trumper Bill Kristol is calling the ABC settlement with Trump as an “inflection point” in our politics. Major Media paying damages to a President elect for defamation of one of its main news anchors is a Big Deal. The amount of damages is irrelevant.
 
ZenMode said:
There is definitely a cult following among some Trump supporters. You can usually spot them with their ridiculous flags and hats. However, I think a significant portion of the Democratic Party, and I'm stealing a term from silence of the lambs, wants to paint anyone who voted for Trump as a rube.

That is a major mistake, IMO, and
that attitude will probably keep hurting Democrats politicians.
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Polls show that a large number are the most poorly informed and educated. A large segment of the rest are deluded by religion. Many of the rest are the hucksters that prey on those groups. They're there for the same reason Willy Sutton robbed banks. "That's where the money is." It's less that we think they are rubes and more that they are uncomfortable with reality. Apparently they're the majority of the voters currently. Imo, and I doubt many will disagree, I don't want to appeal to the unthinking. I'd rather educate them than con them. After all, it looks like education is the Republicans' worst enemy.
 
Ramrouser said:
Never Trumper Bill Kristol is calling the ABC settlement with Trump as an “inflection point” in our politics. Major Media paying damages to a President elect for defamation of one of its main news anchors is a Big Deal. The amount of damages is irrelevant.
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It’s what actual lawfare looks like.
 
finesse said:
Polls show that a large number are the most poorly informed and educated. A large segment of the rest are deluded by religion. Many of the rest are the hucksters that prey on those groups. They're there for the same reason Willy Sutton robbed banks. "That's where the money is." It's less that we think they are rubes and more that they are uncomfortable with reality. Apparently they're the majority of the voters currently. Imo, and I doubt many will disagree, I don't want to appeal to the unthinking. I'd rather educate them than con them. After all, it looks like education is the Republicans' worst enemy.
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Your attitude more or less exemplifies the portion of the Democratic Party that is the reason that Trump won.
 
finesse said:
No. He won because voters were terribly misinformed. Part of it was MSM and a lot was orchestrated lies by the rightwing press.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that Biden, a center left traditional Democrat, kicked Trump's ass while Hillary and Kamala lost?
 
finesse said:
No. The Republican played the misogyny card well especially with minority males.
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For the sake of the Democratic Party, you should hope that a significant portion of the party does not maintain your view.

Your party just lost to Archie Bunker and they're seems to be no self-awareness as to why that happened.
 
ZenMode said:
For the sake of the Democratic Party, you should hope that a significant portion of the party does not maintain your view.
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What? That I think education is the best defense to the Republican Party and that retrenching to allow prejudice to flourish again is stupid. Fuck it. If people hate that idea, there's already a party for them.

If the Dems disagree, I'm not the one losing their way. They can go on without me.
 
StrangePackage said:
Is this where you try to convince us that Hillary was not a traditional centrist Democrat? Or that Kamala didn't tack hard to the right in her campaign?
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I don't think Hillary's loss is much different than Kamala's loss. I think Hillary lost because the Democratic Party had aligned itself much too closely with the woke / cancel culture/censorship contingency and she did nothing to disavow it. I think Kamala was largely a victim of the same thing. Voters were pushing back against identity politics and trans activism and she did nothing to disavow either of those two things.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Hillary's loss is much different than Kamala's loss. I think Hillary lost because the Democratic Party had aligned itself much too closely with the woke / cancel culture/censorship contingency and she did nothing to disavow it. I think Kamala was largely a victim of the same thing. Voters were pushing back against identity politics and trans activism and she did nothing to disavow either of those two things.
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I have very little regard for what you think, and posts like this are precisely why.
 
ZenMode said:
There is definitely a cult following among some Trump supporters. You can usually spot them with their ridiculous flags and hats. However, I think a significant portion of the Democratic Party, and I'm stealing a term from silence of the lambs, wants to paint anyone who voted for Trump as a rube.

That is a major mistake, IMO, and
that perception will probably keep hurting Democrats politicians.
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While I would agree that not everyone who voted for Trump is dumb or poorly-educated, it is also true, in an objective sense, to state the simple fact that Trump's base does tend to consist of those without college degrees. A college degree doesn't equate to intelligence, god knows, but as I said in another post a big part of the Trump phenomenon is a deep resentment and grievance towards the college-educated professional classes (especially upper-middle-class white professionals) by mostly working-class, non-college educated, and often rural or exurban whites.

And if by "rube" you mean someone who is easily conned and gullible and who has fallen for Trump the con man, then I would also certainly argue that is largely true, whether you're talking about college-educated, non-college educated, or minority voters who voted for Trump. And for proof just look at all of the interviews with Trump supporters since 2016 - the man they consistently describe voting for simply doesn't exist in reality; he's a figment mostly of their imaginations.

As for this hurting Democratic politicians, I'm not sure what they can do to win over most of these people anymore. I'm sure that you and others will say that Democrats need to "stop looking down" on Trump supporters, but the problem with that is that no matter what Democrats do Fox News and Newsmax and OAN and right-wing talk radio will continue keeping them in a state of resentment no matter what. I do agree that Democrats need to focus on winning back minority voters, but I'm not sure what can be done to win back the vast majority of Trumpers. They simply love the guy and do follow him blindly, because they're in a cult, plain and simple.
 
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