Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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Trump won less than 50% of the vote. Despite their slim victory, the Republican Party was already in a civil war between MAGA and establishment Republicans who are fed up with the MAGAs who threaten to burn down the government and almost a century of international diplomacy: just a week ago, Senate Republicans were publicly complaining about the dysfunctional “sh*t show” and “fiasco” in the House.

Now, with Trump not even in office yet, the two factions of Trump’s MAGA base—which, indeed, have opposing interests—are at war.
 
I don’t see a majority of Trump’s Cabinet voting to push him aside.

If they do, MAGA will go NUTS.
 
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Trump having judges he appointed in his first term in his pocket this term is going to expand his power considerably (Trump appointed Tipton in 2020).
 
He is raring for some early indictments of his political and other enemies.



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nycfan said:
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Trump having judges he appointed in his first term in his pocket this term is going to expand his power considerably (Trump appointed Tipton in 2020).
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not that much. plaintiffs get to choose venue. when trump becomes president, he and his adminstration will become defendants. the federal courts in texas will become considerably less busy, and federal courts in other jurisdictions will be busier.

i suspect this is why the dems have prioritized a greater number of district judges over a smaller number of appellate judges, which would have been unthinkable a decade ago.
 
finesse said:
Most of them have enough money to be concerned about the power that this would give Musk. That's a lot bigger concern than their next yacht.
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You could be correct but I see their interests aligning with Musk's a lot more than with Trump’s. The ultra wealthy have that common bond.
 
Ramrouser said:
Subject matter or personal.?
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lol. you really have no clue. i'll give you a hint, and you can try again if you would like: jurisdiction is a binary. you have offered criteria (necessary or not, depending on the context) for establishing jurisdiction. if you'd prefer a different formulation, you can call them different types of potential jurisdictional defects. or different bases for jurisdiction. but they are not different forms of jurisdiction. this is fundamental.

maybe it will take less time to establish the legal concepts that you do understand. lol.
 
StrangePackage said:
The Tech Broligarchy is going to push Trump out with the 25th Amendment the second they have the chance. Vance is already 100% in their pocket.
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the 25th has to be one of the most misunderstood amendments. a friend of mine wrote a paper on it. i was like, who is this paper for? who doesn't understand the 25th? and he said, you'd be surprised. he was right. so, before i criticize here, i will say that i have it on good authority that law professors sometimes make this very same mistake.

but anyway, the broligarchy cannot push trump out with the 25th, because of the last paragraph of the amendment. all that would happen is that they could push trump aside for a few days. then trump would tell congress, 'i am fine,' and he would be restored unless 2/3 of both houses votes to remove him. are there R 20 votes in the senate and 80+ in the house to get rid of trump? i have my doubts. and i suspect that the plotters would have the same doubts, and avoid plotting.

as this issue has never come up before, i do not know what criminal penalties could await someone who launches a bad faith 25th amendment attack on a president. but i suspect there would be some statutes that apply (including, perhaps, the catch all conspiracy against the united states). but i doubt the majority of the cabinet will just do it without asking some lawyers some questions.
 
lawtig02 said:
Sigh. This is going to be such a long and painfully stupid four years.
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pretty sure he is going to get sued again. and he will lose again. and the punitives will be massive.

a lot of southern states still have criminal defamation statutes on the books. they were mostly defanged by nyt v sullivan, but certainly trump is creating a new category of cases in which criminal defamation should apply. i don't know if ny has a criminal defamation statute (i think most states did at one point) but if there is one, now would be the time to roll it out.
 
wmheel1287 said:
American voters don't think. Period. They don't. Pretending they do is a fool's errand. We are a nation of absolute morons in most every way.
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This is true. American swing voters basically vote on the price of gas and generalized economic sentiment and virtually nothing else matters. The same voters will vote for everything ranging from a fascist to a communist depending on how much gas is and how they feel at the grocery store checkout.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
This is true. American swing voters basically vote on the price of gas and generalized economic sentiment and virtually nothing else matters. The same voters will vote for everything ranging from a fascist to a communist depending on how much gas is and how they feel at the grocery store checkout.
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just not true and way oversimplifying and missing the message that was sent and corroborated by the left's media numerous times. You guys have grossly underestimated how out of touch you are.
 
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