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Callatoroy said:
just not true and way oversimplifying and missing the message that was sent and corroborated by the left's media numerous times. You guys have grossly underestimated how out of touch you are.
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Bologna. 80% or more of the votes cast for either candidate came from people who couldn't explain one single actual policy proposal of the candidate they chose.
 
Callatoroy said:
just not true and way oversimplifying and missing the message that was sent and corroborated by the left's media numerous times. You guys have grossly underestimated how out of touch you are.
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Out of touch from an economic perspective, sure. By most objective measures the economy has been quite good under Biden. Record stock market gains, low unemployment, etc. But people are struggling due to the rampant global inflation that happened from 2020-2022. Incumbents throughout the western world got crushed in the last few years because of it.

But seriously, were Republicans “out of touch” in 2008, 2012, and 2020, but magically in-touch in 2016 and 2024? No. American swing voters only give a shit about their pocketbooks. Economy went to shit in ‘08 on W’s watch so Republicans lost. By ‘16 people felt like the economy could be better so Republicans won. In ‘20 the economy went to shit because Trump shit the bed on COVID response so Republicans lost. In ‘24 people still haven’t recovered from COVID inflation so Republicans won. It really is that simple, and as Trump fucks up the economy with his tariffs and general pissing off of our allies and trade partners, Republicans will get hammered in’26 and ‘28 assuming we continue to have free and fair elections, which is far from a guarantee with the clown show coming to town.
 
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UNCBAdookJD said:
Out of touch from an economic perspective, sure. By most objective measures the economy has been quite good under Biden. Record stock market gains, low unemployment, etc. But people are struggling due to the rampant global inflation that happened from 2020-2022. Incumbents throughout the western world got crushed in the last few years because of it.

But seriously, were Republicans “out of touch” in 2008, 2012, and 2020, but magically in-touch in 2016 and 2024? No. American swing voters only give a shit about their pocketbooks.
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Id say most don't even monitor their pocketbook all that closely. It's about how they FEEL about their finances. Many could be well ahead of the curve financially but have one sticking point of pain (like eggs or gas) and hyper-focus on that enough to change their vote.

I see this ALL the time in negotiations in real estate transactions. Sellers often refuse to offer to compensate a buyer's agent when they place a home on the market but then agree to pay buyer closing costs which are directly used to compensate the buyer's agent. The seller FEELS empowered and that they "won" when the reality is that their net is the same or worse than it might have been otherwise. I personally dont care what they do, but I'm amused at how much of a hill to die on it becomes for some in spite of the negligible impact on their bottom line.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Bologna. 80% or more of the votes cast for either candidate came from people who couldn't explain one single actual policy proposal of the candidate they chose.
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This will address your and UNCBAdookJD's posts.

You guys were repeatedly warned about being too woke, biden's mental collapse, the out of control border, inflation (excluding gas prices), gas prices, the over zealous attacks on trump (you actually made him a martyr) etc. What did you do? It was a "we know better than you mentality". You actually shunned the democratic process and handpicked the worst possible, least likable, and one of the most woke people in your party. And you think it was just ignorance by centrist voters who were to dumb to see beyond egg and gas prices? That is the height of lacking awareness. As for caring about their pocketbooks, that isn't a shocker or anything new. Was your side to brain dead to understand that?
 
Callatoroy said:
This will address your and UNCBAdookJD's posts.

You guys were repeatedly warned about being too woke, biden's mental collapse, the out of control border, inflation (excluding gas prices), gas prices, the over zealous attacks on trump (you actually made him a martyr) etc. What did you do? It was a "we know better than you mentality". You actually shunned the democratic process and handpicked the worst possible, least likable, and one of the most woke people in your party. And you think it was just ignorance by centrist voters who were to dumb to see beyond egg and gas prices? That is the height of lacking awareness. As for caring about their pocketbooks, that isn't a shocker or anything new. Was your side to brain dead to understand that?
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i hope trump takes your medicare, medicaid, social security or whatever other safety net measures you rely on. i hope that you are unable to find enough labor for your demand because trump deported it. you were repeatedly warned about it. when it happens, i can tell you in advance to gfy. you will find sympathy nowhere.
 
Callatoroy said:
This will address your and UNCBAdookJD's posts.

You guys were repeatedly warned about being too woke, biden's mental collapse, the out of control border, inflation (excluding gas prices), gas prices, the over zealous attacks on trump (you actually made him a martyr) etc. What did you do? It was a "we know better than you mentality". You actually shunned the democratic process and handpicked the worst possible, least likable, and one of the most woke people in your party. And you think it was just ignorance by centrist voters who were to dumb to see beyond egg and gas prices? That is the height of lacking awareness. As for caring about their pocketbooks, that isn't a shocker or anything new. Was your side to brain dead to understand that?
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Nobody gives a shit about any of that. It is all noise. People vote on how they feel about the economy and little else. Most Trump voters can’t even name any of his policies and even in the debates Trump only had “concepts of a plan.” The internet is already replete with Trump voters regretting their vote as they have started Googling the word “tariff.”
 
Callatoroy said:
This will address your and UNCBAdookJD's posts.

You guys were repeatedly warned about being too woke, biden's mental collapse, the out of control border, inflation (excluding gas prices), gas prices, the over zealous attacks on trump (you actually made him a martyr) etc. What did you do? It was a "we know better than you mentality". You actually shunned the democratic process and handpicked the worst possible, least likable, and one of the most woke people in your party. And you think it was just ignorance by centrist voters who were to dumb to see beyond egg and gas prices? That is the height of lacking awareness. As for caring about their pocketbooks, that isn't a shocker or anything new. Was your side to brain dead to understand that?
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The "too woke" thing is a load of horseshit made up. 95% of people who voted for Biden or Harris don't care much at all about the kinds of issues you've addressed as being considered "woke".

As for most of the rest of it, you address someone else. I never thought Biden was capable of running again and vocally said so the entire time.

That doesn't make Trump a martyr. Nothing reasonably makes Trump a martyr. Donald Trump is the least ethical, least moral, and overall worst human to ever hold major political office in the United States in my lifetime at least. Full stop with that.

And i never said ignorance. You did. I said they don't think. If they did, they could easily see past a lot of the noise. But they don't. They FEEL.
 
wmheel1287 said:
The "too woke" thing is a load of horseshit made up. 95% of people who voted for Biden or Harris don't care much at all about the kinds of issues you've addressed as being considered "woke".

As for most of the rest of it, you address someone else. I never thought Biden was capable of running again and vocally said so the entire time.

That doesn't make Trump a martyr. Nothing reasonably makes Trump a martyr. Donald Trump is the least ethical, least moral, and overall worst human to ever hold major political office in the United States in my lifetime at least. Full stop with that.

And i never said ignorance. You did. I said they don't think. If they did, they could easily see past a lot of the noise. But they don't. They FEEL.
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OK.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
Nobody gives a shit about any of that. It is all noise. People vote on how they feel about the economy and little else. Most Trump voters can’t even name any of his policies and even in the debates Trump only had “concepts of a plan.” The internet is already replete with Trump voters regretting their vote as they have started Googling the word “tariff.”
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I'd agree with the exception that as soon as Trump got elected his voter's perceptions of the economy improved almost overnight. Before the election they were all complaining about "Biden inflation" and the prices of everything - houses, cars, groceries - going up, but as soon as Trump won polls showed these same voters suddenly saying that the economy was doing well and inflation wasn't really such a big worry for them anymore. So even the economic issue is mostly smoke and mirrors for his voters.
 
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