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CFordUNC said:
You understand what the department of defense does right? And you understand what the secretary of defense does? And you understand how many people are under the management and purview of the secretary of defense? And you understand why someone having only National Guard service experience but no management or leadership is probably a questionable appointment for one of the most important positions in the free world, one that employs over 5 million people between active duty, reserve, and civilian forces?

Also, do you understand how childish you sound with your “kackling kamala the mamala” bullshit? You are a grown man, right? A grown man with presumably a wife and children? Do you understand how ridiculous your posting has become? And you expect us to believe that you are feeling “peace and joy”?
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1) I guess all the posters who call trump the orange turd or any of the numerous names are being serious adults huh? Does that bother you or is that beneath them in your opinion?

2) Look at super's post. You can't be anything but an ass when responding to assholes like that. Don't engage me that way and i'll be the most respectful person on here.

3) In my post above I literally said he was light on wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience. That was ignored by super with his typical bullshit. So yea, my posting is exactly what I get.

4) I don't mind being called out but don't be hypocritical about it.
 
Callatoroy said:
1) I guess all the posters who call trump the orange turd or any of the numerous names are being serious adults huh? Does that bother you or is that beneath them in your opinion?

2) Look at super's post. You can't be anything but an ass when responding to assholes like that. Don't engage me that way and i'll be the most respectful person on here.

3) In my post above I literally said he was light on wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience. That was ignored by super with his typical bullshit. So yea, my posting is exactly what I get.

4) I don't mind being called out but don't be hypocritical about it.
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Yeah, admittedly I do think “the orange turd” and similar jargon is juvenile and I don’t personally engage in it. Fair point.
 
Callatoroy said:
"He was in the national guard. He has no relevant experience. If anyone thought he was worthwhile for anything, he wouldn't be doing weekends on Fox & Friends."

Right there.
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The wiki entry confirms he was in the national guard. He was never regular military.
 
Callatoroy said:
1) I guess all the posters who call trump the orange turd or any of the numerous names are being serious adults huh? Does that bother you or is that beneath them in your opinion?

2) Look at super's post. You can't be anything but an ass when responding to assholes like that. Don't engage me that way and i'll be the most respectful person on here.

3) In my post above I literally said he was light on wisdom. Wisdom comes from experience. That was ignored by super with his typical bullshit. So yea, my posting is exactly what I get.

4) I don't mind being called out but don't be hypocritical about it.
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Will you commit now that you will condemn Trump as the tyrant we know he is if he purports to make all his appointments as recess appointments without confirmation? Or do you want to go ahead and explain why that would be totally fine?
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah, admittedly I do think “the orange turd” and similar jargon is juvenile and I don’t personally engage in it. Fair point.
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What is your opinion of Hegseth as SOD? We both agree he doesn't have all of the desired experience. However, what I can't understand is how anyone would be OK with harris as CIC but would oppose Hegseth as SOD outside of partisan politics. Take politics out of the equation and my primary objection to harris being president is that she would be CIC and imo that would have been a disaster. That also applied to trump 1.0. He managed to get through it but with ukraine/russia, israel/iran, and china/taiwan now is not the time for on the job training.

Hegseth is completely devoted to the military and he is very well respected by the rank and file. I suspect he will be a popular pick for the enlisted and junior officers. Probably not so much for the general officers who embrace the recent wokeness. I don't think he plays the woke game. I think he will also attempt to apply some accountability to the senior officers who oversaw the afghanistan withdraw. If any are still around.
 
rodoheel said:
Will you commit now that you will condemn Trump as the tyrant we know he is if he purports to make all his appointments as recess appointments without confirmation? Or do you want to go ahead and explain why that would be totally fine?
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It takes more than that to be a tyrant. However, if he does try to get them all through recess appointments I will condemn that. I believe in the senate confirmation process. I can tell you right now that I have zero support for gaetz and i hope he isn't confirmed. I'm not all thrilled about gabbard in that role either. Only from an experience and knowledge pov. Otherwise I have no issues with her.

And if he doesn't resort to recess appointments for his picks will you admit he isn't a tyrant?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
The wiki entry confirms he was in the national guard. He was never regular military.
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This is a graphic that shows you the chart of Army ranks. The bottom row is officers. The gold leaf? That’s the rank of our soon to be Secretary of Defense, who was mainly in the National Guard with stints in active duty. I am so curious how active duty military members view this pick.
 
I'll admit even I didn't have Gaetz as AG on my kakistocracy bingo card. As we witnessed during his first term, you can set expectations of absurdity for what the Trump shitshow will look like but it's always so much worse than imagined.
 
Callatoroy said:
What is your opinion of Hegseth as SOD? We both agree he doesn't have all of the desired experience. However, what I can't understand is how anyone would be OK with harris as CIC but would oppose Hegseth as SOD outside of partisan politics. Take politics out of the equation and my primary objection to harris being president is that she would be CIC and imo that would have been a disaster. That also applied to trump 1.0. He managed to get through it but with ukraine/russia, israel/iran, and china/taiwan now is not the time for on the job training.

Hegseth is completely devoted to the military and he is very well respected by the rank and file. I suspect he will be a popular pick for the enlisted and junior officers. Probably not so much for the general officers who embrace the recent wokeness. I don't think he plays the woke game. I think he will also attempt to apply some accountability to the senior officers who oversaw the afghanistan withdraw. If any are still around.
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Kamala had as much experience to be CIC as Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump had. Other than lack of experience I don’t see that you give any reason why she would be a disaster as CIC.
What would she do? Pull out of NATO? Stop support of Ukraine? Pull out of the Iran nuclear deal?
 
Callatoroy said:
It takes more than that to be a tyrant. However, if he does try to get them all through recess appointments I will condemn that. I believe in the senate confirmation process. I can tell you right now that I have zero support for gaetz and i hope he isn't confirmed. I'm not all thrilled about gabbard in that role either. Only from an experience and knowledge pov. Otherwise I have no issues with her.

And if he doesn't resort to recess appointments for his picks will you admit he isn't a tyrant?
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...and Jan 6?
 
evrheel said:
But Hegseth is a surprising pick to lead the most massive military bureaucracy in human history for a few reasons, including his assertion that women should not serve in combat roles; his successful lobbying during the first Trump administration for pardons for convicted and alleged war criminals; his description of “a war on two fronts” ― one against “radical Islamist ideology” and the other against “domestic enemies,” namely, “the Left”; his opposition to the supposed “infection” of left-wing policies in the military; and his assertion a few years ago that “the Iraq War is an example of what America got right when we got it right.”
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Just a miserable choice.
 
Callatoroy said:
However, what I can't understand is how anyone would be OK with harris as CIC but would oppose Hegseth as SOD outside of partisan politics.
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I feel very confident that no one on this forum, most of whom voted for Kamala Harris to be CiC, would approve of her being appointed SecDef anymore than Hegseth.
 
Callatoroy said:
You would be wrong: And anyway you were hoping to put kackling kamala the mamala as CIC. I think my judgement is more sound here. She does have a glock though so you have that going for you.

Following graduation from Princeton in 2003, Hegseth joined Bear Stearns as an equity capital markets analyst and was also commissioned as an infantry officer in the Minnesota National Guard.<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>17<span>]</span></a> In 2004 his unit was called to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, where he served as an infantry platoon leader with the Minnesota Army National Guard. His unit was under the operational control of the 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal. Shortly after returning from Cuba, Hegseth volunteered to serve in Baghdad and Samarra, where he held the position of infantry platoon leader and, later in Samarra, as Civil–Military Operations Officer. During his time in Iraq, he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, Combat Infantryman Badge, and a second Army Commendation Medal.<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>18<span>]</span></a>[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (November 2024)">citation needed</span></a></em>]

He returned to active duty in 2012 as a captain.<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> He deployed to Afghanistan with the Minnesota Army National Guard and acted as a senior counterinsurgency instructor at the Counterinsurgency Training Center in Kabul.[<em><a href="Wikipedia:Citation needed - Wikipedia" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (November 2024)">citation needed</span></a></em>]

By 2015 or 2016, Hegseth had been promoted to the rank of major, and was assigned to the Army Individual Ready Reserve.<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>

In 2020, Hegseth volunteered as one of the up-to-25,000 National Guard troops authorized by the Pentagon to be put on active duty to protect the inauguration of President Joe Biden on January 20, 2021, but was removed from that mission because he was one of twelve soldiers "linked to 'right-wing militia groups,' or found to have 'posted extremist views online.'"<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a><a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>22<span>]</span></a> Hegseth said that he was removed from the assignment because of a "Jerusalem Cross tattoo, which is just a Christian symbol."<a href="Pete Hegseth - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2</a>
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I’m a successful private practice doc I should be surgeon general
 
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