Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[ZenMode]

Of course, in hindsight everything was an overreaction. It's easy to make that claim after the fact.

In the moment what would you have wanted our leaders to do? Should they have just told everyone to go about life while they figured it out. Just look at the hysteria in the beginning and multiply that if the average person felt that the government was doing nothing.

It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course.

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.

 

[4thgenheel]

It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course.

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.

yeah man, all of those red states that led the country in per capita death rates really crushed it.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023| Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

 

[sringwal]

This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.

Here’s the thing, though: several of the strains we saw during lockdown were more deadly. By the time lockdown was over, however, those strains had been replaced by less deadly, somewhat more easily transferable, ones. And there was always a risk that more dangerous mutations could occur during that period. Consider the fact that part of the reason that they didn’t was due to the lockdown.

It also gave doctors time to test what did, and didn’t, work. Science is about trial and error, and trial and error during a pandemic is extremely high stakes. The higher the stakes, then, the more important it is to do things the right way.

 

[uncjhodges]

Define what it means to be “Woke.”

I want to set the parameters of how ignorant you truly are before I waste time trying to engage with you.

My Father in law on Christmas yelled about a celebration penalty, he didn’t even know why they called it or had seen a replay, just yelled that the NFL had gone woke.

 

[UNCatTech]

It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course.

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.

And how do those states that didn't lock down compare in population and density? If you are in a state that is very rural the social distancing is built in.

So, basically you are saying that they reacted based on the information they had and that they adjusted as more information and knowledge was gleaned?

Hmmmm, that seems to actually make sense.

 

[4thgenheel]

My Father in law on Christmas yelled about a celebration penalty, he didn’t even know why they called it or had seen a replay, just yelled that the NFL had gone woke.

lol. i was confused about that one at first, too.

the guy pulled his shirt up to show off his non-existent gun in his waistband.

the NFL has definitely cracked down seriously on anything depicting violence or guns.

 

[Ramrouser]

Meanwhile…

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Have you ever had the rainmaker partner in your law firm indicted for felonious attempts to fraudulently push Georgia’s 2020 electoral votes to Trump, and being assured those indictments would disappear if Trump were elected in 2024? If not, you don’t have much in common with Ramrouser.

Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

 

[wmheel1287]

Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!

Thinking that way has quite literally been the path to victory for your party. Name one thing that Donald Trump has said or promised that passes any sort of test of logic, common sense, or truth. American voters largely do not think. They feel.

And yes, appealing to feeling is the path to victory for American politicians. Thats sad, but hugely true.

Oh, and I love that your disdainful description of the kind of people that Americna voters are lashing out against matches you perfectly.

Youre affluent, you have a graduate level degree, you work in a suit and I guarantee you haven't done anything resembling manual labor your entire adult life, possibly never.

Were your parents also affluent? Whst did your dad do for a living?

 

[UNCatTech]

It was a complex situation, no doubt.

Multiple states actually did say to more or less go about your life. I think it was 8 total that never had lockdowns of any kind. They were Red states of course.

Like I said, there was data early on that showed who was primarily at risk and it was largely the elderly, which is why Italy was hit so hard by the first wave of covid - they had, I believe, the 10th oldest population in the world at the time, which is why they had a 9% mortality rate.

I'm just saying that we probably wouldn't have had the same reaction from state and federal governments if a) they were looking at the demographics mortality data and b) Italy didn't have a 9% mortality rate. If Italy had a 1% rate, which is where the US ultimately ended up, things would have been much different.

And how do those states that didn't lock down compare in population and density? If you are in a state that is very rural the social distancing is built in.

So, basically you are saying that they reacted based on the information they had and that they adjusted as more information and knowledge was gleaned?

Hmmmm, that seems to actually make sense.

 

[lawtig02]

Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

Lol. Nothing makes you harder than the thought of a black person behind bars, does it?

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

Are you going to answer my question?

 

[UNCatTech]

yeah man, all of those red states that led the country in per capita death rates really crushed it.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023| Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

Interesting that Wyoming is the lowest population and they were one of the 7 that didn't mandate any lockdown. Just look at how well they did.

By the theory of doing nothing, Wyoming should have had almost no deaths...

 

[TitanNC]

Things keep going bad to worse for Fani. Judge just ordered her to appear before the State Senate committee to be grilled about, among other things, her offices’ coordination with the DOJ in her effort to target Trump. SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

I am not following this issue closely so I might be off base here but don’t DA’s typically work with the DOJ to target folks they believe have committed crimes?

 

[UNCatTech]

SHE’s the one who is going to end up in jail before everything is said and done.

Of course, now that trump is there and able to Weaponize the DOJ as he has talked about.

Of course, the idea of weaponizing the DOJ is very different for trump. For him weaponizing is going after him, even though he is a known fraud and cheater. He's going to change that to go after people who are doing their job, if their job happened to involve holding him accountable for his actions.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

The complete absence of certain folks posting on this thread noq is VERY telling of the realization that is just beginning in their brains.

The game is over. Folks like Musk and Vivek now own the Presidency and our entire government. Trump has neither the power nor the will to push back against them now.

 

[4thgenheel]

Are you going to answer my question?

doubtful.

he spews nonsense and then tucks tail and ignores it when people refute his BS.

 

[farce©]

Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!

What is the net worth of Trump’s appointees? Exactly what do you consider “elite?”

 

[lawtig02]

I am not following this issue closely so I might be off base here but don’t DA’s typically work with the DOJ to target folks they believe have committed crimes?

Two things to keep in mind.

1. Ramrouser has no clue how the judicial process works. If he's being honest that he's a lawyer, and that's a big if, he's a family lawyer, which means he's about as disconnected from the judicial system as he can get.

2. Ramrouser's salary is being paid by Ray Smith, who was indicted by Fani Willis for attempting to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia by fraudulently soliciting "alternative" delegates to assign Georgia's electoral votes to Trump.

So when you think about the worst possible attorney in the world, completely bereft of any morals or principles, that's Ramrouser. Assuming he's not just a flat-out liar, that is.

 

[UNCatTech]

What is the net worth of Trump’s appointees? Exactly what do you consider “elite?”

Exactly, that's why that statement makes no sense. These people that claim to be against elites voted in an elite who has appointed over 17 billionaires to his administration. Really, people believe they were voting against elites? It's not showing.

 

[ZenMode]

yeah man, all of those red states that led the country in per capita death rates really crushed it.

U.S. COVID death rate by state 2023| Statista

As of March 2023, Arizona had the highest COVID death rate in the U.S., with 455 deaths per 100,000 population. Hawaii had the lowest death rate.

www.statista.com

It's not that simple.

Utah is the third lowest death rate on your list.

Nebraska was 12th lowest.

Every state that didn't have a lockdown was better than Arizona, which had the worst per capita death rate and locked down.