Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

“… Last year, the Biden administration ordered a phaseout of single-use plastic from the federal government’s food service operations, events and packaging by 2027, and from all other federal operations by 2035.

It was not clear whether Mr. Trump planned to call off that wider effort, or whether he was focused just on bringing back plastic straws. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for clarification.

The U.S. government is considered the world’s biggest buyer of consumer goods, and its planned shift away from plastic had been considered a significant milestone in a global effort to tackle a plastics pollution crisis.

The Biden administration had said that the plan, which it called the first comprehensive strategy to tackle plastic use nationwide, aimed to reduce demand for disposable plastic items while also helping to create a market for substitutes that are reusable, compostable or more easily recyclable. …”

Trump Vows to End Paper Straws Initiative and Bring Back Plastic

The move would run counter to a Biden administration push to cut back on single-use plastic, which was considered a milestone.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Carolina Fever]

Hopefully the media can fight back and keep hounding Trump and the courts can have common sense and stop this nonsense.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Hopefully the media can fight back and keep hounding Trump and the courts can have common sense and stop this nonsense.

There is already evidence that Elon is just ignoring court orders and going ahead with his plans anyway. We could soon easily reach the point at which members of Team Trump will just start ignoring court orders, and if so there's nothing the courts can do to stop them unless Congress or the Supremes intervene, which is very unlikely.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I think this is correct. Get the right number for costs and give universities an efferent way to make plans. But this is kind of the way corporations do it. They do the cuts and then see where they've gone too far.

Out of curiosity, does this hit the indirect costs for already awarded grants or just the ones to be awarded?

I don’t know what you mean here, but you should understand that Facilities and Administrative costs are negotiated in advance between NIH and research institutions. A university has to provide detailed information relevant to the cost of those expenses. That’s why places in high COL areas generally have higher rates. And they’re very pragmatic about what can apply. For instance, F&A helps cover the cost of maintaining and staffing a research animal facility, but per diem cage charges come from direct funds on a grant. So someone housing 30 monkeys pays more than someone with 30 cages of mice. But indirect costs from all grants (even those that don’t use animals) help ensure the viability of a research animal program.

 

[Silence Dogood]

I find it odd, those that wanted see Trump’s tax returns, don't want to see where their tax dollars are going. Those that are screaming the loudest about uncovering the fraud have the most to hide.

 

[farce©]

Damn, these Trumpers believe a lot of bullshit

 

[Healing]

There is already evidence that Elon is just ignoring court orders and going ahead with his plans anyway. We could soon easily reach the point at which members of Team Trump will just start ignoring court orders, and if so there's nothing the courts can do to stop them unless Congress or the Supremes intervene, which is very unlikely.

Agree. It’s why I hold zero confidence in the courts, at the moment; they have no guns, no propaganda machine, and no mobs. We need institutions to attempt vigorous resistance, if they’re not already irreparably compromised (see SCOTUS), but only bc IMO we need a record to demonstrate the manner these institutions protect and enhance human well being, amidst the unavoidable destruction coming down the pike.

I think we’re looking at a US that in 5 to 20 years will have to execute a new and thorough version of Reconstruction.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Agree. It’s why I hold zero confidence in the courts, at the moment; they have no guns, no propaganda machine, and no mobs. We need institutions to attempt vigorous resistance, if they’re not already irreparably compromised (see SCOTUS), but only bc IMO we need a record to demonstrate the manner these institutions protect and enhance human well being, amidst the unavoidable destruction coming down the pike.

I think we’re looking at a US that in 5 to 20 years will have to execute a new and thorough version of Reconstruction.

Agreed, but hopefully not after a bloody Civil War this time.

 

[lawtig02]

What Trump is doing to this country is the best gift China could possibly receive. China is in a ton of trouble demographically and economically. But Trump is handing them lasting global influence on a silver platter.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Maybe it will be that states break up into clusters of smaller countries


I hope we (NC) can be paired up with Virginia.

I mean even a NC, SC, GA and VA country would be pretty moderate if the new country didn't have gerrymandering

 

[lawtig02]

The consequences for corporations isn't nearly as consequential as the public arena.

Plus most corporations don’t have economic terrorists on the board of directors … ahem … House of Representatives.

 

[Carolina Fever]

There is already evidence that Elon is just ignoring court orders and going ahead with his plans anyway. We could soon easily reach the point at which members of Team Trump will just start ignoring court orders, and if so there's nothing the courts can do to stop them unless Congress or the Supremes intervene, which is very unlikely.

Couldn't the judge have them arrested for contempt of court if they don't follow the order?

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Couldn't the judge have them arrested for contempt of court if they don't follow the order?

They could try I suppose, but do you think Trump would allow Elon or any of his flunkies to be arrested? I suspect that many judges will be reluctant to force the issue just for that reason. Trump is a classic bully in many ways, and unfortunately he's been given carte blanche to bully whomever he wants, with little possibility for the moment of any retaliation.

 

[1moretimeagain]

Damn, these Trumpers believe a lot of bullshit

If you can get it onto their screen, they’ll believe it.

 

[lawtig02]

I find it odd, those that wanted see Trump’s tax returns, don't want to see where their tax dollars are going. Those that are screaming the loudest about uncovering the fraud have the most to hide.

Bet you didn’t know every dime of federal spending has been disclosed on the internet since the GWB administration.

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

Did you know that?

 

[farce©]

Bet you didn’t know every dime of federal spending has been disclosed on the internet since the GWB administration.

USAspending.gov

www.usaspending.gov

Did you know that?

Of course not. The right wing bubble doesn’t educate, it indoctrinates.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Musk.

He hates sharing the spotlight and he hates people calling Musk co-president.

The rest are all below him.

When the shit from all of this starts to hit the fan and there finally is a public uprising - and there will be at some point - then Musk will make a very convenient fall guy and scapegoat for Trump and the authors of Project 2025. He's famous and prominent enough so that everyone knows who he is, and so now he's doing much of their dirty work for them, and later they can blame everything on him while still trying to keep most of his "reforms" in place.

 

[Healing]

When the shit from all of this starts to hit the fan and there finally is a public uprising - and there will be at some point - then Musk will make a very convenient fall guy and scapegoat for Trump and the authors of Project 2025. He's famous and prominent enough so that everyone knows who he is, and so now he's doing much of their dirty work for them, and later they can blame everything on him while still trying to keep most of his "reforms" in place.

The most dangerous place in the world is often the inner circle of a dictator.

I fully expect musk to eventually (if it’s not already happening) fund his own mercenary security force.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

The most dangerous place in the world is often the inner circle of a dictator.

I fully expect musk to eventually (if it’s not already happening) fund his own mercenary security force.

Agreed, but I don't think that will save him if Trump & Company decides to blame him for the inevitable problems and suffering caused by what they are all doing. Somebody will be sacrificed, and Musk would be the perfect scapegoat. And for all of his presumed intelligence, I wonder if he even realizes this.