TangledUpInBlue06
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It will never stop being crazy to me that folks think billionaires are going to be the saviors of the poor.
Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)
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1moretimeagain
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Step 1 - Bus migrants to the most expensive parts of the country
Step 2 - Complain money was spent to deal with them there
Step 2 - Complain money was spent to deal with them there
PandemicBlue
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What world do you live in? Where do you think the billions that New York has spent on migrants has gone to?
4thgenheel
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classic fascist playbook stuff.
Copied from an nyc post:
Elon made the claim about “luxury” hotels with zero proof.
“… It was not clear where the $59 million figure came from, and officials did not provide details to AP.
The New York City mayor’s office said it received $81 million in payments from the federal government for immigration-related costs last week in two separate pieces — one of which was about $59 million, with $19 million for direct hotel costs.
New York City's right-to-shelter laws require the city to provide shelter to anyone who's homeless. It has historically housed homeless people in hotels.
… In another post Monday, Musk said that under the Biden administration, FEMA took money away from disaster relief and “spent it on 5 star hotels for illegals.”
Garcia said the city has never paid luxury rates. The vast majority are outside Manhattan, and the government has paid on average $152 a night for rooms, according to a 2024 city comptroller report. In comparison, 5-star hotels in Manhattan for the coming weekend run from $400 a night to well over $1,000.
The payments of $81 million, Garcia said, covered reimbursements for November 2023 to October 2024, including hotel, security, food, and other costs. She said the city applied in April, the money was appropriated last year by Congress, and FEMA allocated it last year. …”
FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels
The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountableI agree, I am tired of Republicans who defunded FEMA a week prior to Helene and then made up lies when pressed about it.
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For some reason this reminds me of something my grandmother used to tell me all the time when she had me do Bible readings — God is a Loving God, But a Vengeful God.
Pretty sure that right there cemented me as an atheist.
CFordUNC
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Literally everything you ever post is inaccurate, chief. Why would I waste my time responding to them point-by-point? I'd do it if I thought it might help change your mind or at the very least open your mind to considering other possibilities, but it won't, so I won't. I'm not here to humor you. I'm here to tell you that everything you post is steeped in the dumbest, most easily refuted right wing propaganda bullshit that the internet has to offer. I don't care how that makes you feel.
ChileG
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How do we know MAGAs agree that Trump is violating the Constitution?
They talk about Biden instead.
They talk about Biden instead.
By your own logic, you are avoiding what this thread is about because you know Trump is violating the Constitution.
It's really true. Like I started to provide links to data that showed his points are BS, but then I thought what's the point? He's allergic to learning.
ZenMode
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Not surprising that a person who resorts to personal insults would also think far too highly of themselves. Responding in-kind doesn't mean you get into my head. It's literally just a tit-for tat to make you aware that you're a prick and that I know you're a prick.
CFordUNC
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Exactly. I'd be more than happy to provide points of rebuttal line by line if I thought that it wouldn't be the biggest waste of time I've ever committed.
Yeah, I've posted most of that stuff already from immigration to drug trafficking from neutral and/or right leaning sources. I'm not going to continue to spoon feed mouth breathing MAGATs to no point. That's especially true when they NEVER provide any sort of real links other than the blathering of some cheap political whore.
What personal insult? You took umbrage because you acted like you had a less than third grade understanding of civics so I responded to you in kind. Don't play naif and then demand respect.
Same thing happened during COVID. They simply don't care what the facts are, and are willing to literally die to preserve their ignorance.
WaynetheDrain
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You’re just going to disregard the rest of the post, huh? You know, the whole part of it being legal, approved, and the money congressionally funded?
And you appear to be complaining that taxpayers are paying for this, so my question was perfectly appropriate. What’s your solution?
lawtig02
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When was the last time you went to the mountains to help?
superrific
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And why were those migrants in New York? Because Abbott and DeSantis bussed them there. And you loved that, even when the price tag was pointed out to you. We specifically had this conversation, you and me, at least a couple of times on the old board. The conversation went something like this:
Me: Why are they busing people from Mexico into a winter storm when they don't even have a coat? It seems cruel for the sake of cruel
You: Because now you elites in the cities will understand the burdens that migrants place on communities.
Me: I understand that. That's why the migrant costs are paid by the federal government
You: Oh, so you want to spend our taxpayer money on this
Me: I don't want to do anything. I'm just pointing out that it doesn't make sense to complain about costs while sending the people to the most expensive real estate in the country
You: You elites think you're better than us?
Me: It's got nothing to do with that. Cities are inherently more expensive. Since it's all coming out of the same pot of money, all your homies are doing is costing the taxpayer money
You: [rants about how I lack common sense, or intelligence, or whatever insults you hurl in gross]
Me: I'm not going to argue about this any more. If you think this is a good use of taxpayer money to make your "point," I mean, sure. Just don't come back in a couple of years and complain about the costs
Rest of Board: Oh, he will.
Me: I know.
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And right on cue, you're complaining about the costs exactly as I predicted. Care to retract your spittle-flecked insults and apologize?
Of course, the problem is that the migrants are actually not here illegally. They are awaiting an immigration hearing. There are way too few ALJs to process the claims, which is why the average wait time is like 8 years. And during those 8 years, we have to house them, and because they have no work authorization, they can't do anything. They are in essence wards of the state.
Do you know what attempted to fix this problem? The bipartisan immigration bill which, among other things, vastly increased the number of ALJs to process asylum claims. That would cut the backlog of cases, and thus require us to house the migrants for much less time. I think the bill also allowed migrants to have work authorizations (upon application, maybe?), but I'm not sure about that.
Point is: this is a problem entirely of YOUR making. At every step of the way, YOU CHEERED the decisions that put migrants in NYC hotels. YOUR SIDE DID THIS.
Maybe next time, instead of calling me names, you could learn a few things.