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Callatoroy said:
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.

www.nytimes.com

Oregon Decriminalized Drugs. Voters Now Regret It. (Published 2024)

State lawmakers are about to reverse course, making the possession of hard narcotics an offense again.
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Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
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Oh fuck off. My wife is a psychiatrist who does medication assisted therapy for addicts. She knows all about people who take fentanyl laced pills. Almost nobody who dies does so unknowingly. They might not know which of the drugs they take has the lethal dose, but they all know it's coming eventually. They can't stop. It's a disease.

Blaming the opioid crisis on "the left" is so fucking dishonest and disrespectful to the victims as to make me sick. By FAR the steepest increase was during Trump's first term, but the problem goes way back to W's administration and even further back to Purdue Pharma. I first read about "hillbilly heroin" in the early 2000s. Opioid use is not the fault of the left or the right. It's a complex social phenomenon with a multiplicity of causes.

There are no cities other than Portland where drugs are "essentially legalized." And it's not true of Portland any more. As I've said before, a major difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals learn from their mistakes and conservatives try to deny reality to avoid admitting they made one.
 
Callatoroy said:
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
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You completely ignored the progression of the very conversation you were having.

The post you responded to said that education and legalization of most illicit drugs would be a better way to address fentanyl.

Your response was to take a shot at liberal cities and state that most people don't know they are taking fentanyl.

That was the point in the legalization comment. If the other illicit drugs that you seem to be "ok" with were legal and well regulated, practically nobody would be taking fentanyl and certainly almost nobody would be getting it unknowingly.
 
Callatoroy said:
Guessing you are unaware of people who die because they were unaware the drug they ingested was laced with fentanyl
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That’s my point. People dying from fentanyl are buying illegal drugs, whether it’s cocaine or Vicodin or whatever. If the fentanyl didn’t kill them and they got caught they would be arrested. If you want to stop fentanyl deaths make the drugs they are buying legallly available, and they could get the real thing from a pharmacy with quality control, honest dosages. Don’t bomb the cartels, just put them out of business by making their goods available legally in the US
 
Callatoroy said:
Right. That’s worked so well in liberal cities where drugs are basically legalized. Portland is the model we want to follow right.

www.nytimes.com

Oregon Decriminalized Drugs. Voters Now Regret It. (Published 2024)

State lawmakers are about to reverse course, making the possession of hard narcotics an offense again.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Again, you are thinking of fentanyl in the wrong terms. Many don’t even know they are taking it. I’ve seen how the left deals with the fentanyl crisis. 70,000 a year dead. Now you are about to see how the right deals with it. Mexico can help and get our help in return or they can remain cowards and get the fuck out of the way. In either case trump is going to act.
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You're the one thinking in the wrong terms. One of the points in what I said is that legalization and access will prevent people from taking that, or anything else, without knowing what and how much of anything they got. Raiding Mexico will not even dent the fentanyl trade. American citizens will still be smuggling it in.
 
nycfan said:

Trump administration orders Pentagon to plan for sweeping budget cuts​

The directive, detailed in a memo dated Tuesday, exempts a handful of programs, including the president’s expanded military mission along the U.S.-Mexico border.


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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered senior leaders at the Pentagon and throughout the U.S. military to develop plans for cutting 8 percent from the defense budget in each of the next five years, according to a memo obtained by The Washington Post and officials familiar with the matter — a striking proposal certain to face internal resistance and strident bipartisan opposition in Congress.

Hegseth ordered the proposed cuts to be drawn up by Feb. 24, according to the memo, which is dated Tuesday and includes a list of 17 categories that the Trump administration wants exempted. Among them: operations at the southern U.S. border, modernization of nuclear weapons and missile defense, and acquisition of submarines, one-way attack drones and other munitions.

The Pentagon budget for 2025 is about $850 billion, with broad consensus on Capitol Hill that extensive spending is necessary to deter threats posed by China and Russia, in particular. If adopted in full, the proposed cuts would include tens of billions of dollars in each of the next five years.

Hegseth’s budget directive follows a separate order from the Trump administration seeking lists of thousands of probationary Defense Department employees expected to be fired this week. That effort is being overseen by billionaire Elon Musk’s U.S. DOGE Service as part of his broader dismantling of the federal bureaucracy. ..."
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Good. Now the cost cutting becomes serious instead of a publicity campaign.
 




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Musk has been accused of carrying his young son X around on his shoulders as a human shield since the healthcare CEO was assassinated, which is a mean-spirited allegation. But it has been widely reported that he is increasingly paranoid (or reasonably in fear of?) being assassinated. The drug use probably doesn’t help him manage those fears.
 
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Musk has been accused of carrying his young son X around on his shoulders as a human shield since the healthcare CEO was assassinated, which is a mean-spirited allegation. But it has been widely reported that he is increasingly paranoid (or reasonably in fear of?) being assassinated. The drug use probably doesn’t help him manage those fears.
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I think he has good reason to be fearful and that reason grows by the day. If you abruptly screw over tens of thousands of people, you’re going to have some loons in that mix.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Good. Now the cost cutting becomes serious instead of a publicity campaign.
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Hegseth said last night that these aren’t budget cuts. Rather redistribution of funding priorities. They are planning to cut some things and move the money around. They are still expecting a budget increase for DOD for next year. So still just a publicity campaign to try and extend their tax cut.
 
nycfan said:




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Musk has been accused of carrying his young son X around on his shoulders as a human shield since the healthcare CEO was assassinated, which is a mean-spirited allegation. But it has been widely reported that he is increasingly paranoid (or reasonably in fear of?) being assassinated. The drug use probably doesn’t help him manage those fears.
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It's pretty impossible to make a mean spirited accusation against Elon Musk. He's likely actively engaged in things far wrose than any accusation that could be levied.
 
wmheel1287 said:
It's pretty impossible to make a mean spirited accusation against Elon Musk. He's likely actively engaged in things far wrose than any accusation that could be levied.
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Concur. Using a child as a human shield is a mild logical leap stemming from the abundance of musk's well documented anti-social behavior. God only knows what's going down behind the scenes, given what's paraded out in public.

ETA: I think the likeliest explanation is musk's PR people have inserted his kids into the public image to cover for the destruction and grift. I have no doubt he sees a shield as a secondary benefit, at minimum.
 
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