Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Intimidation is bringing a gallows to a crowd and holding up signs like "Hang Mike Pence." It's not randomly setting fire to a car nowhere in the vicinity of the person you think is being targeted (and of course in court you need evidence, not just random inferences).
 
ZenMode said:
I honestly don't know how you can say it's not meant to intimidate Elon. This has nothing to do with Tesla as cars and everything to do with going after something that is clearly important to Elon. If the goal is not to get him to stop what he's doing at the federal government level, then what is the purpose?
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To voice displeasure with the broadly illegal and unconstitutional power with which he has been invested would be my guess. Do you actually believe that anyone thinks Elon Musk can be intimidated or scared by anything that happens at a Tesla dealership?
 
wmheel1287 said:
To voice displeasure with the broadly illegal and unconstitutional power with which he has been invested would be my guess. Do you actually believe that anyone thinks Elon Musk can be intimidated or scared by anything that happens at a Tesla dealership?
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Illegal and unconstitutional is up for debate.

The intent of the actions doesn't change based on how successful they are.
 
ZenMode said:
Illegal and unconstitutional is up for debate.

The intent of the actions doesn't change based on how successful they are.
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I never said that intent and success are directly related. I asked if you believed that people THINK Musk can be intimidated by such actions. I do not. Therefore I don't believe at all the intent is to intimidate or coerce.

And no, illegal and unconstitutional really isn't up for debate. Musk's power grab has clearly violated the plain text of the constitution in several ways.
 
I can’t for the life of me figure out what ZenMode’s point might be. But he has to post nonsense nonetheless. He’s all caught up in bullshit he can’t quite verbalize because words aren’t his friend.
 
farce© said:
I can’t for the life of me figure out what ZenMode’s point might be. But he has to post nonsense nonetheless. He’s all caught up in bullshit he can’t quite verbalize because words aren’t his friend.
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I will just say it so Zen can move on: It was a bad thing that people set cars on fire at Tesla dealerships and they are bad people. They broke the law and committed crimes and should be prosecuted in the criminal justice system. And I hope that the next President does not pardon them. I speak on behalf of all Democrats.
 
roostra said:
I will just say it so Zen can move on: It was a bad thing that people set cars on fire at Tesla dealerships and they are bad people. They broke the law and committed crimes and should be prosecuted in the criminal justice system. And I hope that the next President does not pardon them. I speak on behalf of all Democrats.
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and they should be punished in accordance with how these crimes are usually punished, not shipped off to a foreign prison outside of US court jurisdiction and away from their constitutionally prescribed rights.
 

Tesla confirms it can't sell the Cybertruck even with tax credit and discounts

Tesla has revealed Cybertruck deliveries in the US, confirming that it can’t sell the electric truck even with federal tax...
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With Tesla’s announcement today that it recalled all Cybertrucks produced up until last month, the company confirmed that it made and delivered 46,000 Cybertrucks in the US since launching production in late 2023.

By comparing them to previous numbers, it means that Tesla is only going to deliver between 7,000 and 8,000 Cybertrucks in Q1 2025.

That would be significantly down from the last two quarters when Tesla is estimated to have delivered between 10,000 and 12,000 Cybertruck.

It is a bad look considering the Cybertruck gained access to the $7,500 federal tax credit for electric vehicles this quarter, and Tesla started to discount the truck with free Supercharger and subsidized financing rates.

The lower financing rate is equivalent to slashing thousands of dollars off of the Cybertruck.

Tesla also launched its Cybertruck lease program last month and offered free wraps on Foundations Series.

If deliveries are dropping even with those new incentives, it’s a clear sign that the Cybertruck program is in distress.

At this point, Tesla’s only hope is the upcoming cheaper Cybertruck RWD expected to start at $61,000 later this year.
 
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Elon tells Tesla employees not to sell TSLA stock as board and execs are dumping

At an all-hands meeting last night, Elon Musk stood before Tesla employees and told them to “hang on to their...
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At an all-hands meeting last night, Elon Musk stood before Tesla employees and told them to “hang on to their TSLA stocks” as Tesla board members and top executive are dumping their shares amid a 40% crash.


Tesla has frequently held “all-hands” meetings for employees over the years, but last night, it was the first time that they were streamed publicly.

CEO Elon Musk didn’t announce anything new during the meeting. He mostly recapped Tesla’s latest milestones over the last year, thanked employees for their work, and reinstated several of his overly optimistic predictions about Tesla’s future regarding self-driving cars, robots, and stock valuation.

The CEO again claimed that he believed that Tesla would become the world’s most valuable company by a wide margin.

Musk went as far as asking employees, and indirectly the public as this was publicly live-streamed, to “hang on to their stocks.”

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dcphx said:
and they should be punished in accordance with how these crimes are usually punished, not shipped off to a foreign prison outside of US court jurisdiction and away from their constitutionally prescribed rights.
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Right. Literally no one is excusing the act of the protesters, or doubting that they should be punished.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I never said that intent and success are directly related. I asked if you believed that people THINK Musk can be intimidated by such actions. I do not. Therefore I don't believe at all the intent is to intimidate or coerce.

And no, illegal and unconstitutional really isn't up for debate. Musk's power grab has clearly violated the plain text of the constitution in several ways.
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I understand that you may not believe the intent is to intimidate. I think it's very likely that it is. Other posters on this forum, when talking about the goal of the vandalism, have have said:

"Maybe we just want an unelected self seeking moron and his crew of misfits out of our government?"
 
sringwal said:
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No court has ruled that Elon is doing anything unconstitutional or illegal. Elon is only making suggestions. Trump has to approve them. I don't see any blatantly unconstitutional or illegal, so far.

As far as the vandalism/terrorism goes....it seems very likely that those involved, as was mentioned by an posted, are trying to intimidate Elon to get him to stop what he's doing. The intent of the terrorists can be to intimidate Elon, even if he isn't actually intimidated.

The intent of the shooter in Philadelphia was to kill Trump. That is true despite the fact that he was unsuccessful.
 
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No matter how often you misstate it, it's not terrorism. It's a crime but not against the general public, the government or the nation. It's more like Robin Hood trying to free the people from a malign influence from outside. Interesting that the Normans were Germanic also.
 
We're hurtling towards a day when folks get thrown in prison or "temporary detention facilities", under terrorism charges, for slapping a swastika sticker on a Tesla. magabots will absolutely rationalize it.
 
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