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superrific said:
If America is fucked the whole world will be fucked. Just wait until Trump tries to have the US declare bankruptcy.
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Yeah I'm aware. I look forward to my barely keeping food on the table future as a lobster poacher. Maybe I can trade some for a can of soup now and again.
 
superrific said:
Why do you think Trump is insisting that the Senate majority leader give him recess appointment power?

Trump is not planning on having anyone "confirmed." He isn't interested in what anyone else has to say. He is trying to rule with an iron fist, exactly as he said he would.

If we ever survive this, we are going to need to purge our country of voters like HY12. Everyone who voted for Trump needs to be permanently disenfranchised.
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You don’t come out of fascism with more, rebranded fascism. No matter how grave the mistakes of the voters you can’t just revoke their citizenship and human rights.

If Trump does the terrible things we think he might we’d definitely need to have our own version of the Nuremberg tribunals to punish the biggest offenders, but not every day people whose biggest crime is voting.

That said, the biggest mistake with the end of Trump 1.0 was J6 was not dealt with swiftly and harshly enough. Pelosi made a mistake waiting to impeach Trump. He should have been impeached on the night of J6 before the election certification. Trial next day. Allowing it to marinate a bit allowed the Republicans to get their story worked out and escape accountability.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
You don’t come out of fascism with more, rebranded fascism. No matter how grave the mistakes of the voters you can’t just revoke their citizenship and human rights.

If Trump does the terrible things we think he might we’d definitely need to have our own version of the Nuremberg tribunals to punish the biggest offenders, but not every day people whose biggest crime is voting.

That said, the biggest mistake with the end of Trump 1.0 was J6 was not dealt with swiftly and harshly enough. Pelosi made a mistake waiting to impeach Trump. He should have been impeached on the night of J6 before the election certification. Trial next day. Allowing it to marinate a bit allowed the Republicans to get their story worked out and escape accountability.
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I didn't say revoke their citizenship. They just don't get to vote. They had their chance; they fucked it up; and the stakes are too high to give them another opportunity.

Imagine if reconstruction wasn't cut short.
 
superrific said:
I didn't say revoke their citizenship. They just don't get to vote. They had their chance; they fucked it up; and the stakes are too high to give them another opportunity.

Imagine if reconstruction wasn't cut short.
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If it wasn’t cut short the citizens of the rebelling states would still have the right to vote. I’m all for dealing with Trump and his lackeys harshly if they go through with committing crimes this go around as I expect them to, but I’m not willing to become them.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
If it wasn’t cut short the citizens of the rebelling states would still have the right to vote. I’m all for dealing with Trump and his lackeys harshly if they go through with committing crimes this go around as I expect them to, but I’m not willing to become them.
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Well, this is clearly not a discussion we need to have right now. But being cautious and protective of democracy is not being like them. Being like them would be to make cruelty the point. Being like them would be to inflict untold pain and suffering because they enjoy it.

When this is all done, it's likely that we will need a new constitution and we're going to have to grapple with these problems eventually. it's just important to keep track of who is on who's side. They are doing that, so we need to as well.
 
My IC comrades tell me there's a serious idea being floated to abolish the AFT and FBI and create a National Police as a replacement.
 
Batt Boy said:
My IC comrades tell me there's a serious idea being floated to abolish the AFT and FBI and create a National Police as a replacement.
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Sort of like a Secret State Police, would you say? I believe the German translation is “gestapo”?

Edited to clarify: this is purely sarcasm
 
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Batt Boy said:
My IC comrades tell me there's a serious idea being floated to abolish the AFT and FBI and create a National Police as a replacement.
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People are mostly digging out a Ramaswamy proposal when he ran for the GOP nomination as what he would do with his supposed government efficiency post:

“… Ramaswamy, who detailed parts of his proposed agenda during a phone call with Semafor on Tuesday night, said he plans to shutter the FBI, ATF, U.S. Department of Education, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and the USDA’s Food and Nutrition Services. He will fully unveil his “legal and constitutional basis” for the plan later today during a speech at the America First Policy Institute.

“Do you want incremental reform?” Ramaswamy said he planned to ask voters. “Or do you want a quantum leap in reviving the ideals of the American Revolution?”

Under Ramaswamy’s proposal, which he called “seismic” in scope, these agencies would not be replaced. Instead, a certain number of employees from the defunct government units would be reallocated: For example, he suggested around “15,000 of the 35,000 FBI employees” would be “reassigned” to sectors like the U.S. Marshals, Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, and the DEA.

His broader goals include “reducing the size of the federal employees down by 75% by the end of the first term” and implementing “a revision of at least 50% of federal regulations that failed the Supreme Court’s test” in the case of West Virginia vs. EPA.

Ramaswamy’s plan to act without Congress would almost certainly face swift legal pushback, but he said he’s confident the decisions would ultimately stand.

“We’ll take it to the Supreme Court, and I think we’ll win 6-3,” he told Semafor, adding that he’s “taken detailed advice from multiple legal academics who are at the bleeding edge of this.” …”

www.semafor.com

Vivek Ramaswamy’s plan to eliminate the FBI without Congress | Semafor

The presidential candidate previewed his proposal to Semafor, which also targets the Dept. of Education and other agencies.
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“… Ramaswamy says the Presidential Reorganization Act of 1977 provides “an important statutory basis” to go forward with this plan, as it allows him to submit plans to Congress about reorganizing an executive agency. …”

www.nbcnews.com

Vivek Ramaswamy lays out plans to eliminate federal agencies including FBI

Vivek Ramaswamy is laying out plans to shut down the FBI, the Department of Education and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission if elected.
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