Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[1moretimeagain]

Funny how the largest, international antisemitism organization on the planet agrees with me. Is the ADL "stupid" or are they "fools" carrying water for Elon as well?

My observation is that many on the left get more exercised by individuals making an "OK" sign with their hands or waiving their arms above their head by people they disagree with than actual anti-semites (leftists) on college campuses shouting "Internationalize intifada" or "from the River to the Sea" in Jewish students' faces.

Musk has previously threatened ADL with a $4 billion lawsuit.

 

[Calheel]

Well 2 were from Ga where the high profile murder took place.

Yeah, sometimes you need to make a political vote, even when it is a dumb law. If you vote everything on principle, you won't be voting after the next election.

 

[Calheel]

The ADL has done good work in the past, great work even, but make no mistake, it is focused primarily on advancing the causes of Israel. It’s essentially a foreign government lobbying firm.

Are you sure you are not confusing it with AIPAC?

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Not bad. Certainly worse Republicans than Rubio out there.

 

[rodoheel]

I have been saying this all along. It is an administrative nightmare and might be an impossibility.

Maybe for a while you could prove parent’s citizenship status by their birth certificate (if available) and the fact that they were born before 1/20/2025 but in the distant future one would have to produce birth certificates going back to relatives born before 2025.

Classic Republican policy proposal - do something mean and cruel and deceptively simple that would require a massive administrative effort just to begin to administer. Sort of like idiotic "drug test people on welfare" proposals but way more work and also blatantly unconstitutional just for fun.

 

[rodoheel]

Then you don't know what the definition of political conservative is.

What do you think is politically conservative? Do you think it includes expanding the scope of the government's intrusion into your personal life while also significantly expanding the amount of government administrative effort required to accomplish that intrusion, as the EO on birthright citizenship does? That certainly doesn't sound like what modern American conservatism claims to be.

ETA: though if what you mean is that political conservatism has historically been founded in belief in a strong, often unelected executive (like a king) who exercises absolute power, then I suppose you have a point.

 

[finesse]

Not bad. Certainly worse Republicans than Rubio out there.

Damned by faint praise.

 

[altmin]

Whatever form it takes, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that the next four years will see a MASSIVE expansion of executive power at the expense of the legislature, the courts and the states. I still can’t figure out how so many people who think of themselves as small government advocates have been deluded into supporting this movement. I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say that Democrats are more conservative than 2025’s version of MAGA.

a government of 1 person is pretty small.

 

[superrific]

I have been saying this all along. It is an administrative nightmare and might be an impossibility.

Good thing it is plainly illegal. I would expect it to be enjoined before the end of the week (temporary) and it will never become un-enjoined.

Interesting question about district court nationwide injunctions is presented. Everyone has been critical of the district court injunctions coming out of Texas, and the Supreme Court is even hearing a case about whether district courts have the power to enter nationwide injunctions. Most of the time, the nationwide injunction is an abuse.

But how does a court *not* issue a nationwide injunction in a case like this? How can the plaintiff states receive relief? The administration has to issue birth certificates to anyone born in New York but not Texas? There is an obvious need for uniformity in this area of law, and thus this would seem to be a quintessential case where nationwide injunctions are called for.

It's really hard to have nice things in a country when one half of it takes every nice thing and treats it like a bottle in a bar fight.

 

[superrific]

Funny how the largest, international antisemitism organization on the planet agrees with me. Is the ADL "stupid" or are they "fools" carrying water for Elon as well?

My observation is that many on the left get more exercised by individuals making an "OK" sign with their hands or waiving their arms above their head by people they disagree with than actual anti-semites (leftists) on college campuses shouting "Internationalize intifada" or "from the River to the Sea" in Jewish students' faces.

OK, first, 90% of the actual anti-semites in this country are right wingers. You cynically appropriated the protests in order to make yourselves look like sane, love-everyone types, but it won't work. It was your team that shot up a synagogue. Not any leftist. And the people doing the protests are mostly young kids, not billionaires.

You don't get to cite the ADL as evidence for your claim when the issue is whether the ADL has dropped the ball. And in all likelihood, the ADL is afraid of reprisals and is genuflecting like the rest of the country's organizations because your guy is a tyrant. Which is what you wanted all along. Which is why sensible people cannot be friends with you.

And MAGAs wonder why nobody wants to sleep with them.

 

[MOUNTAINH33L]

I struggle wondering who I will be more glad when they are gone from earth...Elon or Donald. It's a tough decision. Just happy both times, I guess.

For me it is 100% Musk. I think he's exponentially more dangerous than the MAGA God-King.

 

[nycfan]

Tell that to the Sioux.

That’s been a while (and there are plenty of other Tribes who might have called the Sioux predatory in their heyday, but no need to digress).

 

[superrific]

Are you sure you are not confusing it with AIPAC?

I think he is not. I think he is making a point that ADL has become AIPAC. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with that.

 

[MOUNTAINH33L]

OK, first, 90% of the actual anti-semites in this country are right wingers. You cynically appropriated the protests in order to make yourselves look like sane, love-everyone types, but it won't work. It was your team that shot up a synagogue. Not any leftist. And the people doing the protests are mostly young kids, not billionaires.

You don't get to cite the ADL as evidence for your claim when the issue is whether the ADL has dropped the ball. And in all likelihood, the ADL is afraid of reprisals and is genuflecting like the rest of the country's organizations because your guy is a tyrant. Which is what you wanted all along. Which is why sensible people cannot be friends with you.

And MAGAs wonder why nobody wants to sleep with them.

You mean it wasn't leftist college students (and maybe antifa) shouting, "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US"????

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Are you sure you are not confusing it with AIPAC?

Yeah, I’m sure. It started out differently and, as I said above, it’s done some really good work. But it’s difficult to square its actions and statements over the last few years with a strict focus on fighting antisemitism.

 

[sringwal]

Then you don't know what the definition of political conservative is.

What is your definition? Same question for lawtig.

 

[nycfan]

They really need to go back and examine the Elian Gonzalez fiasco …

 

[4thgenheel]

One thing to remember is that Latinos aren't necessarily as homogeneous as the pollsters seem to lump them. There's a fair amount of Mexican American voters, maybe even majority, that don't really like the central Americans.

But I'm not sure Trump is necessarily going to make that distinction. I think those Mexican American voters who are citizens now and have been here for a while think that they are safe and it's going to be the folks they don't really care for that get deported. But somebody's cousin or somebody's nephew is going to get deported and that's going to hurt.

there is no distinction with this admin. they are going to do offensive things to all latinos. mexicans, central americans and south americans.

 

[lawtig02]

What is your definition? Same question for lawtig.

Let's start with Heritage's own definition --

"Conservatism is an ideology rooted in American founding principles. It prioritizes individual choice and rights over big government, one-size-fits-all solutions and viewpoints."

Conservatism | The Heritage Foundation

Since our founding in 1973, The Heritage Foundation has been working to advance the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

www.heritage.org

In other words, anti-MAGA.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

I was kind of surprised he pardoned them. Vance made similar statements. I would have thought all of Trump's nominee's and his VP would have been on the same page with him. Maybe it was a trial balloon. Vance got booed when he said Trump likely wouldn't pardon anyone who attacked a police officer.