Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[lawtig02]

Not at all surprising, but I'd be so embarrassed if I supported an administration that caused my own party's most senior judges to say things like this.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/birthright-citizenship-lawsuit-hearing-seattle/index.html

Judge John Coughenour, a Ronald Reagan appointee who sits in Seattle, granted the request by Washington Attorney General Nick Brown and three other Democratic-led states for the emergency order halting implementation of the policy for the next 14 days while there are more briefings in the legal challenge.

“I have been on the bench for over four decades. I can’t remember another case whether the question presented was as clear,” Coughenour said.

Another quote from the Reagan-appointed judge, which echoes thoughts I've had about almost every GOP-led legal action over the last few years --

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

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This goes to a point super has made many times. The courts and the bars are absolutely TERRIBLE at enforcing the rules of professional conduct for lawyers. You basically have to be taking dollar bills from your trust account and using them at strip clubs to get disciplined these days. When attorneys can solicit and advise fraudulent electors in an attempt to make the loser of the presidential election the leader of the free world, and the bar has nothing to say about it, why have rules at all?

Of course, "Why Have Rules at All?" is probably a good motto for the federal government over the next four years.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

You’re just a little off here. They’re not trying to “work up” the vast, vast majority. They’re trying to get you to dismiss their actions, defend their right to behave like this, and normalize their “opinions.”

Well they're one for three.

 

[SnoopRob]

Why is it funny?

Because racism is funny, no?

 

[lawtig02]

He doesn't really strike me as the neo Nazi type.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

Elon Musk said he is "Jewish by association" during a conversation with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro after a visit to the former Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz, Poland.

Musk, the Tesla CEO and owner of social media platform X, made the comments during a conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Association. The association had arranged for Musk to make a private visit to Auschwitz, where an estimated 1.1 million Jewish people were killed during the Holocaust.

"I must admit to being somewhat frankly naive about this. In the circles that I move, I see almost no antisemitism. ... Two-thirds of my friends are Jewish," the billionaire tech mogul said in a video posted on YouTube by Bloomberg Technology. "I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. I’m like Jewish by association."

The association organized the visit to address a worldwide surge of antisemitism after the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'

“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

www.nbcnews.com

Do you go out of your way to find articles that make the position you're defending seem as absurd as possible?

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Well they're one for three.

Two for three. When you brush it off as no big deal, you normalize their actions.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

Two for three. When you brush it off as no big deal, you normalize their actions.

Meh. I'm not seeing it. Whoever did this wants the attention so the organization seems somewhat relevant again. Ignore it and they don't get that.

This very well could be one guy that found a printer at Goodwill. I just don't think it's enough to get all stirred up about, although in fairness, this is way better than I expected. I remember 10 Kluckers marching in Hillsboro a few years back with about 500 counter protesters and you would have thought there were lynchings in the street from some of the reactions on the old ZZL. I'll have change my opinion if this holds up.

 

[rodoheel]

Imagine someone saying with a straight face that they're "aspirationally Jewish" and "Jewish by association" in response to claims of antisemitism, lol. Next-level version of "lots of my friends are black!"

 

[lawtig02]

Imagine someone saying with a straight face that they're "aspirationally Jewish" and "Jewish by association" in response to claims of antisemitism, lol. Next-level version of "lots of my friends are black!"

The only thing worse is Shapiro giving him a platform.

 

[ZenMode]

The only thing worse is Shapiro giving him a platform.

Shapiro wouldn't give him a platform, or defend him as he has done, if he suspected any anti-semitism.

 

[finesse]

Fwiw, I'm sure that the Klan has diminished a great deal but the same sort of people with different names for their groups are still with us. A lot of those guys and the kids that went to the Christian academies they founded are still with us. I might misremember but I don't think they were big on inclusion. I think we're going to see some of the veils slipping off that group's racism.

 

[lawtig02]

Shapiro wouldn't give him, or defend him as he has done, if he suspected any anti-semitism.

 

[ZenMode]

Would you consider a “fake” al-Qaeda recruitment flyer to be funny, too?

I might if the last line was "Meet at the unattended backpack on the corner".

 

[rodoheel]

Shapiro wouldn't give him, or defend him as he has done, if he suspected any anti-semitism.

 

[rodoheel]

btw - even the ADL criticized that particular post by Musk (the one that led to the article ZenMode linked above) as antisemitic.

 

[rodoheel]

The lie that MAGAs were really just concerned with illegal immigration has been exposed.

This type of thing is what leads me to think Dems need to come out strongly supporting overhauls to our legal immigration system, advocating to make it much easier to legally immigrate to the US for the people who do it "the right way."

 

[rodoheel]

Another quote from the Reagan-appointed judge, which echoes thoughts I've had about almost every GOP-led legal action over the last few years --

“Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional.

___________

This goes to a point super has made many times. The courts and the bars are absolutely TERRIBLE at enforcing the rules of professional conduct for lawyers. You basically have to be taking dollar bills from your trust account and using them at strip clubs to get disciplined these days. When attorneys can solicit and advise fraudulent electors in an attempt to make the loser of the presidential election the leader of the free world, and the bar has nothing to say about it, why have rules at all?

Of course, "Why Have Rules at All?" is probably a good motto for the federal government over the next four years.

I don't disagree with the larger point, but at least Sidney Powell and Rudy G got disbarred, lol

 

[lawtig02]

btw - even the ADL criticized that particular post by Musk (the one that led to the article ZenMode linked above) as antisemitic.

Zen is struggling these days. I can't remember the last serious post he made.

 

[CFordUNC]

I might if the last line was "Meet at the unattended backpack on the corner".

Yeah, I'm sure.

Let me ask you something that I've been wondering for a while. I'd ask @gtyellowjacket , too, because it applies to him as well (actually significantly more so) but I think he may have pulled the ultimate puss move and put me on ignore. And this is truly a sincere question, even if it may read like it is intended as snark (I promise it's not). My question is: what do you get out of purposefully going out of your way in taking the most absurd, outlandish stances on literally everything that you just absolutely know is going to agitate and aggravate others? Is that fun? Like, it kind of seems like yours and gt's whole purpose here is to recreationally irritate instead of add to the discourse. A great example yesterday would be your stance that Jesus Christ wasn't an activist. Today, it's that a KKK flyer is funny. I can't even decide whether it's intended to be purposefully irritating or if it's just some weird schtick, is all. It's not that it's just disagreement or a different viewpoint or perspective- it's that every single stance you take seems intentionally designed to annoy other people. The "was Jesus an activist" thing was just eye roll-inducing; the stance that a KKK poster is funny is....entirely different. It's not a stance that normal folks would take, is what I'm getting at.

 

[lawtig02]

I don't disagree with the larger point, but at least Sidney Powell and Rudy G got disbarred, lol

Fair enough, but

 

[BlooVooDoo]

He doesn't really strike me as the neo Nazi type.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'
“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

Elon Musk said he is "Jewish by association" during a conversation with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro after a visit to the former Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz, Poland.

Musk, the Tesla CEO and owner of social media platform X, made the comments during a conference on antisemitism organized by the European Jewish Association. The association had arranged for Musk to make a private visit to Auschwitz, where an estimated 1.1 million Jewish people were killed during the Holocaust.

"I must admit to being somewhat frankly naive about this. In the circles that I move, I see almost no antisemitism. ... Two-thirds of my friends are Jewish," the billionaire tech mogul said in a video posted on YouTube by Bloomberg Technology. "I have twice as many Jewish friends as non-Jewish friends. I’m like Jewish by association."

The association organized the visit to address a worldwide surge of antisemitism after the start of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

Elon Musk says he's 'Jewish by association' after Auschwitz visit, sees 'almost no antisemitism'

“I’m aspirationally Jewish,” Musk said. “So I was like, ‘What are people talking about with this antisemitism?’ Because I never hear it at dinner conversations."

www.nbcnews.com

He’s got his kid on his shoulders like it’s an amusement park.