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CFordUNC said:
What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country- the wealthiest and most prosperous country in the history of the universe- to have basic access to shelter, food, clothing, healthcare, medicine. What I "want" is for every hard-working person in our country to not have to struggle so mightily to make ends meet on low or minimum wage while the Chief Executive of their company buys a third yacht, a second private jet, and a fifth vacation mansion. What I "want" is for us to have strong, secure, well-enforced borders that protect us while simultaneously having a robust, efficient system of legal immigration that enables people from all over the world to come to the United States, work hard, pay taxes, contribute to our economic success, and make their own lives- and ours- better.

Why is any of that some unachievable utopian fantasy? I'm always so amazed that the same people who believe that America is the greatest country that ever country'd in the history of countries, somehow immediately lose faith in American exceptionalism the moment we start discussing things like....making sure people don't go hungry, making sure that people who want to live here and work hard have the ability to do so, etc.
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And I would add some people are incapable of hard work-its okay with me if they have shelter , food, clothing and healthcare.
 
nycfan said:


This should have been fixed with an immigrant work program decades ago.
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Exactly. These are not new issues that popped up last year. I don't believe any of our elected officials really want to fix the issue. They like it as a talking point and the cheap labor.

They could have fixed this back when presidents were sane people.
 
PandemicBlue said:
I guess your dumbass has never heard of birth tourism. And the mere fact that it is even a possibility is the point. How many American citizens do you think have been born to women who are in the US illegally in just the last 4 years? Stupid ass people like yourself need not be allowed to vote unless there is a situation to where you and yours are the only people who have to suffer from your ignorant decisions.
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God it would be nice if there were a way for only idiots like you and the other idiots that voted for the orange pieces of shit to suffer from your ignorant decisions. Unfortunately, we are all getting fucked because of your decisions.

Just look at the article Finesse posted, the numbers don't line up with what fox news told you.

And why are you so damn scared of people who want to come to the US, work hard, and better their life? It must be a sad little existence to be scared of everyone who wants a shot at a better life. You know you need to get out of your mom's basement, you need sunlight so your body can produce vitamin D.
 
PandemicBlue said:
When I see "unauthorized" substituted for "illegal" that tells me a lot. Just do a search of and you will find multiple sources that lay out the numbers. And that doesn't even count the unknowns.

The fact that anyone would defend what has been allowed happen just makes me shake my head. Anyone willing to do so just lends credence to the people who believe the US will not have to be defeated on the battlefield, it will defeat itself from within.
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How does one "Count the unknowns", that sounds like code for make up numbers that agree with our orange overlord.
 


"The executive order calls for the deportation of resident aliens — including students with visas — who broke laws as part of anti-Israel protests following the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attacks in Israel, which sparked the invasion of Gaza, the document reviewed by The Post says."

nypost.com

Exclusive | Trump ordering review to identify, punish and deport antisemites — including students on visas

The executive order calls for the deportation of resident aliens — including students with visas — who broke laws as part of anti-Israel protests following the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attacks in Is…
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PandemicBlue said:
I realize 10 to 20 million people (who knows the real number) from all around the world were allowed, if not encouraged, to simply walk into this country by the Biden administration.

Didn't matter if we were in the middle of a pandemic. Didn't matter if it costs US taxpayers billions upon billions to feed, house, provide healthcare, or educate children. Didn't matter if mixed among the good people were criminals who will, and have, murder, rape, rob, kill in traffic accidents, or run drugs leading to many more untold numbers of deaths and destruction.

Nobody has any idea who has come in or what their intentions are for coming. We are talking about people from all around the world. But many of you on this board don't know about this reality because you chose to get your information from sources who ran cover for likely the worst administration in this country's history. Or you do know but are so loyal to the Democratic Party that you are willing to ignore the reality of the situation.

If there were 330 million Americans and we just added 15 million more over the past 4 years that means 1 out of every 23 people you see anywhere in this country walked across the border over the past 4 years.....1 out of every 23. That's 1.5 times the population of the entire state of NC. Trump would have to deport 10,000 immigrants every single day of his 4 years to reach 15 million. That tells you how many were allowed to walk or be flown in every single day of the Biden Administration. And how much coverage did the arbiters of truth like CNN or MSNBC give to this massive invasion? I'll leave it to the people who actually watch those propaganda networks to answer that question. The damage done by Joe Biden will never be remedied.
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Did we ever get a citation on this data? I need it for class. Students and all...you know?
 
sringwal said:
Once again, Quakers for the win:

www.nbcnews.com

Quaker groups file suit over the end of policy restricting ICE arrests in houses of worship

The suit appears to be the first from a faith-based organization challenging the change in court.
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“… The lawsuit, brought by five Quaker groups, alleges the Trump order infringes on their First Amendment right to freedom of religion by instilling fear in congregants and leading to the cancellation of services. The lawsuit states that the potential of ICE raids is sending a "chilling effect" across immigrant worshippers at Quaker services.

"The very threat of government officials wearing ICE-emblazoned jackets outside of our religious service will have a significant impact on our communities and ability to practice our faith," the Baltimore Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends said in a statement.

"It lessens our ability to hear God and what God is trying to tell us," said Michael Levi, a 20-year member of the Adelphi Pennsylvania Friends Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends.

"Government enforcement actions that stops people from entering our meeting house, or scares them from doing so, affects us personally, viscerally, emotionally, and theologically."

This is the first such lawsuit brought by a religious organization against the Department of Homeland Security for ordering federal agents to raid churches, a rare boundary crossed in American life. …” [this probably should read “… a boundary rarely crossed …” not “a rare boundary crossed ...”]
 
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“For instance, Chicago—very well-educated,“ Homan continued. ”They‘ve been educated on how to how to defy ICE, how to hide from ICE. I‘ve seen many pamphlets from many NGOs: ’Here‘s how you escape ICE from arresting you. Here‘s what you need to do.’"

“They call it ‘Know Your Rights.’ I call it ‘how to escape arrest,’” Homan added.

He seemed to be referring to a campaign, called Know Your Rights, launched by Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. It encourages citizens whose homes are visited by immigration agents not to open the door unless presented with a warrant signed by a judge.
 
ZenMode said:
“For instance, Chicago—very well-educated,“ Homan continued. ”They‘ve been educated on how to how to defy ICE, how to hide from ICE. I‘ve seen many pamphlets from many NGOs: ’Here‘s how you escape ICE from arresting you. Here‘s what you need to do.’"

“They call it ‘Know Your Rights.’ I call it ‘how to escape arrest,’” Homan added.

He seemed to be referring to a campaign, called Know Your Rights, launched by Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson. It encourages citizens whose homes are visited by immigration agents not to open the door unless presented with a warrant signed by a judge.
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people learn to use the system in this fucked up system whether they are here legally or illegally. no diff than rich folks using the system to not pay taxes. everything is unfixable at this point so enjoy life day to day. scary times
 
donbosco said:
Did we ever get a citation on this data? I need it for class. Students and all...you know?
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With a quick Google, in an interview on NBC with Kristen Welker on May 19, 2024, Li’l Marco claims there are 20-to-25-to-30 million illegal immigrants in the US; and that upwards of 10 million have entered in the last 3 years.

Merrill Matthews makes the 10 million in an opinion piece in The Hill on 1/23/24.
 
PandemicBlue said:
I realize 10 to 20 million people (who knows the real number) from all around the world were allowed, if not encouraged, to simply walk into this country by the Biden administration.

Didn't matter if we were in the middle of a pandemic. Didn't matter if it costs US taxpayers billions upon billions to feed, house, provide healthcare, or educate children. Didn't matter if mixed among the good people were criminals who will, and have, murder, rape, rob, kill in traffic accidents, or run drugs leading to many more untold numbers of deaths and destruction.

Nobody has any idea who has come in or what their intentions are for coming. We are talking about people from all around the world. But many of you on this board don't know about this reality because you chose to get your information from sources who ran cover for likely the worst administration in this country's history. Or you do know but are so loyal to the Democratic Party that you are willing to ignore the reality of the situation.

If there were 330 million Americans and we just added 15 million more over the past 4 years that means 1 out of every 23 people you see anywhere in this country walked across the border over the past 4 years.....1 out of every 23. That's 1.5 times the population of the entire state of NC. Trump would have to deport 10,000 immigrants every single day of his 4 years to reach 15 million. That tells you how many were allowed to walk or be flown in every single day of the Biden Administration. And how much coverage did the arbiters of truth like CNN or MSNBC give to this massive invasion? I'll leave it to the people who actually watch those propaganda networks to answer that question. The damage done by Joe Biden will never be remedied.
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You actually believe this shit? JFC.
 
Zoo_View said:
With a quick Google, in an interview on NBC with Kristen Welker on May 19, 2024, Li’l Marco claims there are 20-to-25-to-30 million illegal immigrants in the US; and that upwards of 10 million have entered in the last 3 years.

Merrill Matthews makes the 10 million in an opinion piece in The Hill on 1/23/24.
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Students are taught better than to accept those sorts of assertions. That quick Google surely produced links of some sort that I can share with them?
 
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