Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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ChapelHillSooner said:
I would cut Germany some slack here. Because of their history, too much criticism of Israel would likely be counterproductive.
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Given the genocide in Gaza, it also gives Germany the benefit of saying (sotto voce) "See, what we did wasn't so bad. Even they're doing it when given the chance"...
 
StrangePackage said:
Are you fucking serious?

Pathetic. Being a Nazi apologist is a weird hill to die on, but I guess it works for you
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Seems pretty valid. Musk has claimed it was an innocent gesture. Plenty of other politicians have done something similar, per these examples.

If he was really hoping to somehow signal his Nazi bona fides, he's going to come out and say it. He's not exactly shy about saying controversial and/or stupid stuff.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Seems pretty valid. Musk has claimed it was an innocent gesture. Plenty of other politicians have done something similar, per these examples.

If he was really hoping to somehow signal his Nazi bona fides, he's going to come out and say it. He's not exactly shy about saying controversial and/or stupid stuff.
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Another Nazi apologist. No shock. Every bit as pathetic.

If you believe that why don't you post yourself performing the same gesture on social media. Or do it at your job.

Let us know how it goes for you.

 
StrangePackage said:
Another Nazi apologist. No shock. Every bit as pathetic.

If you believe that why don't you post yourself performing the same gesture on social media. Or do it at your job.

Let us know how it goes for you.

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I've done it. No issues. Usually people just wave good bye back, but then again, no one normal immediately jumps to the conclusion that there are millions of Nazis wandering around.
 

Musk team’s push to gut federal workforce bypassed key Trump officials​

Billionaire Elon Musk has worked behind the scenes on an initiative aimed at depleting the civil service, prompting questions about its legality.


“Billionaire Elon Musk’s influence over a traditionally nonpartisan agency that oversees the federal workforce culminated in the government’s stunning proposal Tuesday offering employees an inducement to resign, according to four people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal talks.

The proposal, emailed late in the day to many of the nation’s 2.3 million federal workers, blindsided some advisers to President Donald Trump, including officials in the budget office and agencies that typically would be consulted in advance of such monumental changes to personnel and spending policies, the people said.

Since Trump took office, Musk has moved quickly to exert control over the Office of Personnel Management, the small independent agency that acts as a kind of human resources department for the federal government, issuing policy for agencies to implement.

Musk personally visited the OPM’s offices Friday, and several of his longtime surrogates — including Anthony Armstrong, who helped Musk buy Twitter; Brian Bjelde, who ran human resources for Musk’s firm SpaceX; and Amanda Scales, who worked at Musk’s artificial intelligence firm, xAI — have been installed in senior leadership roles at its offices in downtown Washington, the people said. …”
 

Fetterman: RFK Jr.’s nomination in trouble after rocky hearing​



“Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), who was thought to be open to voting for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s nomination to head the Department of Health and Human Services, now says the nominee is in serious trouble after his rocky confirmation hearing.

“I don’t think it went well for him today. I don’t think that was a good one,” he said after Kennedy sparred with Democrats on the Senate Finance Committee over his past statements and stance on vaccines.

… Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), one of the Democrats who grilled Kennedy at his hearing Wednesday, asked him pointedly about his comments on a podcast that exposure to pesticides could be causing more children to identify as transgender.

… RFJ[sic], Jr.’s nomination will be voted on by the Senate Finance Committee, but before that happens, he will appear before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee for a second round of questioning Thursday. …”
 
AP:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. struggles to answer questions on Medicare and Medicaid at confirmation hearing​


apnews.com

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. struggles to answer questions on Medicare and Medicaid at confirmation hearing

If approved, Kennedy will control a $1.7 trillion agency that oversees food and hospital inspections, hundreds of health clinics, vaccine recommendations and health insurance for roughly half the country.
apnews.com apnews.com

FOX News:

'Dems look unhinged': Conservatives rally around RFK Jr's 'masterclass' confirmation hearing performance​

No Republicans appeared to oppose Kennedy's confirmation in Wednesday's hearing​

'Dems look unhinged': Conservatives rally around RFK Jr's 'masterclass' confirmation hearing performance | Fox News

No Republicans appeared to oppose Kennedy's confirmation in Wednesday's hearing
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NY POST (opinion):

Charlatan RFK Jr. lies his way through senate hearing​


“… And, as you might expect of any Kennedy, his answers were full of obfuscations, half-truths, and outright lies. …”

nypost.com

Charlatan RFK Jr. lies his way through senate hearing

As you might expect of any Kennedy, his answers were full of obfuscations, half-truths, and outright lies.
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Politico (opinion):

Watching RFK Jr. in the Senate Was Personally Painful​

I worked for his father. He never would have been so slippery.


“… There was another aspect of Kennedy’s mindset that was painfully absent in the testimony of his son: his sincerity.

At his confirmation hearing Wednesday, again and again, the younger Kennedy simply would not accept the many on-the-record comments from his past: full endorsement of abortion rights (“Every abortion is a tragedy,” he repeatedly recited by rote), constant warnings about the deleterious impact of vaccines (“News reports have claimed that I’m anti-vaccine or anti-industry. I am neither.”), and even comparing the CDC to Nazi death camps (“I don’t believe that I ever compared the CDC to Nazi death camps. I support the CDC,” he said.).

… The contrast between his full-throated previous support for abortion rights as solely a woman’s choice and the position of his potential boss, Donald Trump, is so stark that the only answer would have been for Kennedy to say something like: “I want to run the Department of Health and Human Services and turn my health care views into policy, so I will completely put aside my views on abortion and follow the views of the president.” That would have had the virtue of honesty, but it was apparently a bridge too far. …
 
StrangePackage said:
You and GT actually may be dumb enough to not see the difference in those videos, but that does not mean the rest of us are.

Or you're a Nazi apologist.

Which is it?
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Or you may be dumb enough to see a significant difference when there isn't one.

The difference I saw is that Elon specifically said "My heart goes out to you" after doing the motion.
 
ZenMode said:
Or you may be dumb enough to see a significant difference when there isn't one.

The difference I saw is that Elon specifically said "My heart goes out to you" after doing the motion.
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So if I have this right the excuses have gone from him being autistic and enthusiatic, to it being a different type of salute, to all politicians do this, to him saying that his heart goes out to people - which is an expression he has used before with an entirely different non Nazi gesture.

All I have to say is if I ever see anybody say that their heart goes out to me and they do that gesture, I too will immediately say that I'm not doing what I'm about to do.
 
StrangePackage said:
So if I have this right the excuses have gone from him being autistic and enthusiatic, to it being a different type of salute, to all politicians do this, to him saying that his heart goes out to people - which is an expression he has used before with an entirely different non Nazi gesture.

All I have to say is if I ever see anybody say that their heart goes out to me and they do that gesture, I too will immediately say that I'm not doing what I'm about to do.
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I'm not making an excuse for anyone. I'm saying all three made the same gesture, but Elon specifically said "My heart goes out to you" after doing it.
 
StrangePackage said:


Nazi apologists fuck off
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So, you believe that Elon does, or thinks about, the Nazi salute so often in his everyday life, that it just comes out uncontrollably and being in a situation where uttering "My heart goes out to you" made perfect sense, was just a fortunate turn of events?

Do I have that right?
 
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ZenMode said:
So, you believe that Elon does, or thinks about , the Nazi salute so often in his everyday life that it just comes out uncontrollably and being in a situation where uttering "My heart goes out to you" made perfect sense, was a fortunate turn of events?

Do I have that right?
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No, you don't. But that's not terribly surprising given how little you have right.
 
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