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I’ve seen a lot of crazy shit on this board, but I’m not sure I’ve seen any shit crazier than that.
What’s so shocking. That’s just run of the mill Republican thought process right there. That is why Trump is President . Half this country thinks that way and I’d say 90% of them would say something more shocking than that. Trump can burn this country down and they will justify it while on fire.
 
It's not so much the "what" that give me pause, it's why our government's time and resources?
Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
 


Trump is the source of reports about blowing Iran to smithereens but fine. The goal of a long and lasting peace in the ME is obviously laudable.
 
What’s so shocking. That’s just run of the mill Republican thought process right there. That is why Trump is President . Half this country thinks that way and I’d say 90% of them would say something more shocking than that. Trump can burn this country down and they will justify it while on fire.
Yeah. Perhaps this is my error, but I have always expected a bit higher of our board Republicans than I do of your general run of the mill MAGA. The ones we have here are at least supposedly educated by a top flight public university like UNC. So I generally expect a bit more from them than, say, the MAGAs in my extended family who have high school educations and have never left Robeson and Bladen Counties. But, man alive, watching every single one of our board Trump voters become completely succumbed to Transgender Tourette’s to go along with their Biden Derangement Syndrome- and just their propensity to gleefully swallow what are very obvious lies and bullshit- has made me reconsider.
 
Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
I was going to write something similar, but you explained this far be more clearly than I could have hoped to.
 
So, Callatory….you're saying you’re wrong about the condoms? If so, where did you get bad information? Did someone tell you a falsehood? Who?

(Not the Atlantic, I’m pretty sure….to return to an earlier conversation…)

Beyond poverty, my understanding is that USAID supports pro-democracy efforts — which, in turn, likely help American trade relations. The economy and such things.

You for supporting democracy or against?
Clearly against democracy. He supports Trump
 
Because soft power is extremely cost effective — convincing people to operate via diplomacy is one thing, but soft power is more, creating good will through charitable acts and expanding on that good will to shape the preferences and opinions of others in ways intended to benefit American policy goals or to prevent catastrophes like epidemics, famine, etc to the best of our ability.

What is most pernicious about Musk is he is screaming fraud and waste about programs that have been allocated support under the law for helping the poorest of the poor around the world, for promoting democracy through cultural exchange, for fighting starvation, malnutrition and disease and for bringing access to vaccines, pharmaceuticals and modern medical treatment to refugees, subsistence farmers, the poor and huddled masses.

It is one thing to disagree with such uses of U.S. resources, especially during a time of deficit spending, but quite another to lie and mislead Americans about what USAID is and what it does so that the richest man in the world can deny any support to some of the poorest and most wretched people across the globe and destroy 50 years of American efforts to build soft power across the globe.
Thank you for the intelligent, unhysterical response. Led me to do further research. Good writeup here.

Seems there is a more balance playbook to rationalizing the organization (that almost didn't survive the 90's):
"Upon taking office, Atwood invested heavily in improving Congressional relations and made a concerted push to rewrite the badly outdated Foreign Assistance Act of 1961. USAID was designated as one of the three “reinvention laboratories” within the federal government as part of Vice President Al Gore’s “Reinventing Government” initiative, and pursued a series of bureaucratic reforms. Most notably, USAID closed more than 26 missions in countries that had either graduated from the need for aid or were simply bad partners — the first reduction in the number of countries receiving U.S. assistance since the Marshall Plan."
 
A “Verified Nuclear Peace Agreement” sounds a lot like what we had before.
You mean this meaningless piece of shit: The Iran Nuclear Deal: What's Wrong With It And What Can We Do Now?

He is talking about one that actually has some teeth to it and would actually achieve the goal of preventing them from having a bomb. Not the bullshit Obama rolled out. You know, limited access to inspections. Call ahead to reserve inspection time like they are reserving dinner reservations. Easing of sanctions to free up billions to spend on terror. But hey, at least we could call it a deal right?
 

”… the Trump administration’s bellicose approach to traditionally pro-American countries such as Canada or Denmark is unprecedented. Not only do U.S. partners have to worry that the United States is no longer trustworthy (because Trump thinks rules are meaningless and has no qualms about promising to do something on Tuesday and taking it back on Friday), but they also have to worry that the United States is actively malevolent.

When the president threatens to retake the Panama Canal or conquer Greenland or make Canada the 51st state—no matter what existing treaties require or what Panama, Denmark, or the Greenlanders have to say about it—all countries must worry that they might be next.

As balance-of-threat theory predicts, some leaders in these countries are already advocating concerted efforts to resist Trump’s dangerous agenda. … Such efforts are bound to increase if Trump continues down his current path, and some countries are going to look for help from Beijing, if only to gain more leverage against Washington.

… This is a sea change in U.S. foreign policy, and it will inevitably narrow the perceived differences between the United States and its principal great-power rivals. America’s Asian partners have been eager to cooperate with Washington (and adjust some of their policies to keep U.S. leaders happy) because they are worried about the regional balance of power and wanted the United States to help maintain it.

If the United States starts acting like Russia and China, however, and if it keeps threatening new trade wars, the advantages of being closely tied to Washington will diminish. States accustomed to following the U.S. lead will hedge and explore other strategies to protect themselves from U.S. whims. …”
 
this world would be such a better place if someone could eliminate all the major organized religions that promise an eternal afterlife....starting with islam. religions are nothing but country clubs full of elitists who think they have exclusive rights to an afterlife.....just pure societal conditioned stupidity.
 
“… In short, one of the more enduring and powerful theories of world politics suggests that Trump’s radical approach to foreign policy is going to backfire. He may win a few concessions in the short term, but the long-term results will be greater global resistance and new opportunities for America’s rivals.

Here’s where the theory of collective goods kicks in, however, and it points in the other direction. Taming American power requires coordinated action and a willingness to bear the costs of opposition. Getting other states to line up against Trump will take time, and some governments will be tempted to free-ride and hope that somebody else does the heavy lifting. Under these conditions, the United States can play divide-and-conquer and try to peel some states away by offering individual concessions.

The difficulty of organizing a balancing coalition should not be underestimated—especially for countries whose political systems are themselves under strain—and that’s undoubtedly what Trump is counting on.

But note: Keeping the world “off-balance” requires the selective use of U.S. power and a considerable amount of self-restraint. It means not looking for every opportunity to humiliate weaker countries or their leaders.

Other countries must be convinced Washington will keep its promises and that cutting a deal or making a concession won’t simply invite new demands.

Unfortunately, exercising restraint, keeping promises, and treating others with respect have never been part of Trump’s playbook, and the marginally competent people he’s appointed while he guts the ranks of the civil service make it even less likely that U.S. foreign policy will be conducted with finesse.

Nobody doubts that the United States has a mailed fist, but we are about to discover what happens when the velvet glove is removed.

As realists have warned for decades, and as a parade of past aggressors reminds us, states that use big-stick diplomacy to browbeat and punish others eventually overcome any initial reluctance to balance and the obstacles to collective action and end up with fewer friends, more enemies, and far less influence.

I wouldn’t have thought it possible for the United States to permanently alienate its closest neighbors and many long-standing partners, but that is precisely where we are now headed. …”
 
You think its about a condom thing like that makes any of the bullshit spending justified in the eyes of the voters after the last election? If its not condoms its something else. 20 million on Sesame Street in some 3rd world country. Eliminating wasteful spending is a good thing, supported by voters, and sends a message that trump is serious about remaking the fed g'ment. Something he was elected to do. Where is anything wrong in that?
Thank you for reinforcing my point.

You care not the flavor of lies you're getting fed, day after day, nor that those lies are specifically designed to make you think "yucky!" and trigger your underlying biases. It's bald-faced manipulation of tribal instincts.

And I have no idea if your Sesame Street comment is just another lie, or not, frankly, it doesn't matter. For someone that rails on immigration like you do, I would hope you could take a beat to consider how rational, low stakes, and the potentially huge ROI a hypothetical Sesame Street could have on building allies, spreading western hegemony, and planting the seeds of potential future US acculturation. That is, spending 0.00000003% of the annual budget on a children's education and propaganda tool is considerably rational, with minimal downside, and blatantly obvious potential upside. But maybe, just maybe, it isn't actually about spending.

You're clearly no fool. You also strike me as a patient with treatable lung cancer who read an article on NaturalNews.com that told you smoking unfiltereds doesn't cause cancer (so you keep smoking) and "treats" their disease with high-dose vitamin-C (because "cHEmO IS POISON!). You purchase both from RFK and ttump affiliate companies. Fine, your choice, but don't expect others to tolerate your deadly secondhand smoke, nor seeing through the bullshit upon which you're basing your life choices and beliefs.
 
If US policy is now that international borders are malleable - and, clearly, that is our new policy - we need to move all the fabrication plants out of Taiwan like yesterday.

The second and third order effects of this policy shift are going to be breathtaking.
 
What’s so shocking. That’s just run of the mill Republican thought process right there. That is why Trump is President . Half this country thinks that way and I’d say 90% of them would say something more shocking than that. Trump can burn this country down and they will justify it while on fire.
Agreed. That was a typical angry, unhinged calla screed. He's been vomiting those on this board and the old ZZL-P for a few years now. Best to just ignore.
 
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