Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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OGtruthhurts said:
why would you need to change settings if youre not doing anything shady?

dc is a cesspool of red and blue thieves
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Do you use Venmo? If you don’t mark info private anyone using it can see who you are doing business with.
 
UHG would eviscerate the VA. Their approach would be marginally distinct from private equity, which should be outlawed from holding managing share of any healthcare org. I know we have a few vets here; what’s your experience with the VA? How has your experience changed, over the years?

I encounter numerous vets per day, in clinical settings. I have yet to hear a single complaint about the local VA hospital and clinics.

My grandfathers served, and through the 80s and 90s I recall their complaints, as well as a few high profile investigations into VA quality of care. My understanding is that those public injuries sparked very real change for the better. I know that by 2005, at the latest, my grandparents gave the VA plaudits, which extended through the end of life.
 
Callatoroy said:
You mean this meaningless piece of shit: The Iran Nuclear Deal: What's Wrong With It And What Can We Do Now?

He is talking about one that actually has some teeth to it and would actually achieve the goal of preventing them from having a bomb. Not the bullshit Obama rolled out. You know, limited access to inspections. Call ahead to reserve inspection time like they are reserving dinner reservations. Easing of sanctions to free up billions to spend on terror. But hey, at least we could call it a deal right?
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Iran’s nuclear program has advanced since don’s veto of the nuclear deal.
 
nycfan said:

Rubio Snubs G-20 Meeting Citing South Africa’s Focus on Equality​

  • Trump vowed to cut off funds to South Africa over new land law
  • Rubio also cites country’s effort to address racial inequality
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Awesome. So we’ve now imported South Africa’s racists and are substantially to the right of the country that held onto apartheid longer than almost any other.
 
Sometimes he says stuff that is out of left field and I don’t even know where to put it.



“[says you can’t have multiple companies run ATC, system, it must be one company] … there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems and they bells would have gone off [for helicopter altitude in DC crash] but bells and whistles would have gone off, they have them where they can virtually turn the thing around it just would have never happened if we had the right equipment. [we need a bill to built the best control system]

… When I land in my plane, privately, I use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I’m landing in New York, I won't tell you what country, but I use a system from another country because the captain says the thing is so bad. … so we’re going to have the best system, it’s a lot of money but it’s not that much money …”

——

I don’t actually think they can use a foreign system to land at a US airport, but would be curious what foreign country he trusts to track his plane.
 
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Trump was going to do so regardless but still one of those frustrating conflicts the Trump Administration seems to favor.
 
www.wired.com

Elon Musk’s Takeover Is Causing Rifts in Donald Trump’s Inner Circle

“He’s getting too big for his breeches,” says one Trumpworld source.
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Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, publicly at least, are on good terms.

Yet when it comes to the staff in and around the new administration, it’s a different story. Just two-and-a-half weeks into Trump’s second term in office, a fissure has begun to emerge following Musk’s DOGE takeover of the US government, according to a half-dozen Trump loyalist Republican aides and advisers inside and around the administration who spoke with WIRED.
“I think it’s more the staff who have an issue with Elon than President Trump,” a Republican aide familiar with the discussions around DOGE and the administration tells WIRED. This staffer, like others, requested anonymity to relay sensitive conversations due to fears of retaliation.


In the space of a couple of weeks, Elon Musk and his associates have taken control of multiple government agencies, and a cadre of young and inexperienced engineers with ties to Musk have been given access to some of the most highly sensitive federal systems through DOGE. As Musk’s associates tore through the federal apparatus over the first weekend of February, a ride-or-die MAGA Republican operative who knows President Trump personally confided something to WIRED they never thought they’d find themselves saying before the past two weeks.

“There could be a collision course coming here at some point,” they said when asked if there’s a brewing freak-out over Musk in Trumpworld. “He’s getting too big for his breeches.”

The motivations of the people WIRED has spoken with cover a wide range. Some Trump campaign veterans hope White House chief of staff Susie Wiles will intervene, while other Republican operatives think the emerging rift is a problem despite having no personal animosity toward Musk. Others stand to gain personally or professionally from a Musk ouster.
 
What distinguishes this staff-level discontent from the grumblings during the transition about Musk’s proximity to and influence over Trump at Mar-a-Lago is that actual policy decisions are being made—so many and so fast that it's hard for even the president's most loyal foot soldiers to keep track.

While the staff’s qualms with Musk are rather straightforward, nobody seems to know how to handle the high-velocity and high-volume nature of the DOGE government takeover.



“Listen, when the process is going this fast, from extreme outsiders, the communication is bound to be a mess,” says Matthew Bartlett, a Republican operative and former State Department official under Trump in his first term. Bartlett says the rest of Washington is getting their first real taste of the Silicon Valley–influenced attitudes driving much of the private sector, now in the form of twentysomethings from DOGE appearing on government calls.

“I mean, listen, this goes to the old adage of Steve Jobs … finding you in the elevator and saying, give me 10 seconds to tell me what you do, and justify your job,” Bartlett claims. “That is legendary stuff in the private sector—and maybe it worked—but, there are so many nuances to government that it makes addressing and making wide, sweeping changes highly problematic.”

Republicans who landed administration jobs aren’t exactly shocked a possible rift is emerging. “Can't say a lot of that surprises me to hear,” an administration source familiar with the discussions tells WIRED. Sources say many people have turned to Wiles as one of the only people who could even attempt to reign in Musk.
 
altmin said:
www.wired.com

Elon Musk’s Takeover Is Causing Rifts in Donald Trump’s Inner Circle

“He’s getting too big for his breeches,” says one Trumpworld source.
www.wired.com www.wired.com
Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, publicly at least, are on good terms.

Yet when it comes to the staff in and around the new administration, it’s a different story. Just two-and-a-half weeks into Trump’s second term in office, a fissure has begun to emerge following Musk’s DOGE takeover of the US government, according to a half-dozen Trump loyalist Republican aides and advisers inside and around the administration who spoke with WIRED.
“I think it’s more the staff who have an issue with Elon than President Trump,” a Republican aide familiar with the discussions around DOGE and the administration tells WIRED. This staffer, like others, requested anonymity to relay sensitive conversations due to fears of retaliation.


In the space of a couple of weeks, Elon Musk and his associates have taken control of multiple government agencies, and a cadre of young and inexperienced engineers with ties to Musk have been given access to some of the most highly sensitive federal systems through DOGE. As Musk’s associates tore through the federal apparatus over the first weekend of February, a ride-or-die MAGA Republican operative who knows President Trump personally confided something to WIRED they never thought they’d find themselves saying before the past two weeks.

“There could be a collision course coming here at some point,” they said when asked if there’s a brewing freak-out over Musk in Trumpworld. “He’s getting too big for his breeches.”

The motivations of the people WIRED has spoken with cover a wide range. Some Trump campaign veterans hope White House chief of staff Susie Wiles will intervene, while other Republican operatives think the emerging rift is a problem despite having no personal animosity toward Musk. Others stand to gain personally or professionally from a Musk ouster.
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Imagine that. Not enough space in the room for two of the world’s largest megalomaniacs. I’m shocked.
 
lawtig02 said:
Imagine that. Not enough space in the room for two of the world’s largest megalomaniacs. I’m shocked.
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I am waiting for a couple of teenagers with DOGE hats telling the Secret Service that Trump needs to leave the Oval Office now.

I figure one of them will eventually be shot by some government official at some point.
 
nycfan said:
Sometimes he says stuff that is out of left field and I don’t even know where to put it.



“[says you can’t have multiple companies run ATC, system, it must be one company] … there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems and they bells would have gone off [for helicopter altitude in DC crash] but bells and whistles would have gone off, they have them where they can virtually turn the thing around it just would have never happened if we had the right equipment. [we need a bill to built the best control system]

… When I land in my plane, privately, I use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I’m landing in New York, I won't tell you what country, but I use a system from another country because the captain says the thing is so bad. … so we’re going to have the best system, it’s a lot of money but it’s not that much money …”

——

I don’t actually think they can use a foreign system to land at a US airport, but would be curious what foreign country he trusts to track his plane.
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Shortly after he suggested that the federal government should deploy the young DOGE staffers as air traffic controllers—“We should use some of them in the control towers, where we were putting people that were actually intellectually deficient,” the president said—the same senior White House official quickly dismissed the comment as a serious proposal.

“Lmfao no,” the White House official told WIRED in a text message. “You guys need to learn how to cover him. He was making the point that smart bright people need to be ATC’s [sic.].”

Trump simultaneously suggested the DOGE staffers are young and “very smart,” but also that “some are young, and some are not young. Some are not young at all.”
 
I know altmin and mountainheel don't give off the same mental illness vibes as others, and they're joking, but daggum the board has been calling for a lot of political opponents to be killed lately. I don't remember that happening in years past.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I know altmin and mountainheel don't give off the same mental illness vibes as others, and they're joking, but daggum the board has been calling for a lot of political opponents to be killed lately. I don't remember that happening in years past.
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I suspect part of it may be as protest against being asked not to wish for violence or murder on this platform, but maybe there is just an increasingly violent outlook.
 
nycfan said:
I suspect part of it may be as protest against being asked not to wish for violence or murder on this platform, but maybe there is just an increasingly violent outlook.
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The first part isn't great but the second part is what scares me very slightly.
 
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