Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[ZenMode]

What personal insult? You took umbrage because you acted like you had a less than third grade understanding of civics so I responded to you in kind. Don't play naif and then demand respect.

"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.

 

[PandemicBlue]

Literally everything you ever post is inaccurate, chief. Why would I waste my time responding to them point-by-point? I'd do it if I thought it might help change your mind or at the very least open your mind to considering other possibilities, but it won't, so I won't. I'm not here to humor you. I'm here to tell you that everything you post is steeped in the dumbest, most easily refuted right wing propaganda bullshit that the internet has to offer. I don't care how that makes you feel.

If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?

 

[ZenMode]

1. Vacant building? Are you serious? You are simultaneously complaining about migrants carrying drugs over the border, and housing them in vacant buildings? Have you ever heard of a crack house?

2. This was why it was a bad idea to bus the migrants to NYC in the first place. Your side did that. Check out my response to pandemicblue on the other thread for explication.

In short, your team did this. It's entirely on you. So own it and stop whining.

The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.

 

[finesse]

"What personal insult?"

Stop playing dumb. A) I already called it out and b) you know it was unnecessary.

Again... stop playing dumb and acknowledge you were being a prick.

Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.

 

[superrific]

If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?

1. Not even close, and certainly not close as a % of the population. American history is a long time, chief.

2. Care to respond to my post in which I reminded you that you supported the things that you now claim are horrible?

 

[BillOfRights]

You have been witnessing the destruction of America for a long time, most recently, an administration which encouraged an invasion into this country by millions upon millions of illegal immigrants from all over the world. You have watched drug cartels just over our southern border amass billions of dollars as a result of exploiting the millions of people funneled into the US by Biden and his cronies that they will in turn use to create more destruction in America. You have witnessed these same cartels flood this country with drugs which has led to thousands upon thousands of dead Americans as well as all the other damage created short of death while the Biden Administration told you over and over again how the border was secure.

If what you see now reminds you of 2020, what did everything you witnessed the 4 years prior remind you of?

Hopefully now we will have a president who will actually try to stop the spiral down. One who will secure the border, try and eliminate the massive amount of waste and fraud our country is involved in, try and keep the rest of the world from taking advantage of the US and the US taxpayer, and instead of stupidly sitting back and watching China rise towards the top over the last 30 years taking advantage of the US, like every president before, will actually hold them accountable for their decades long abuse.

Now, if only he can get a bunch of Democrats, who put their own self-interest aside in order to hate Trump, out of the way.

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[finesse]

The people who would be under the care of individual states and the federal government likely aren't the ones sneaking drugs across the border. They are the ones going to a port of entry,requesting asylum, being vetted, documented, etc.

If we are housing the ones truly sneaking across the border, that is an entirely different and more concerning situation.

Also, individual hotel rooms don't seem to be any more of a deterrent for illegal drug activity than a converted building.

No, the ones sneaking in over 85% of the fentanyl are going home to their homes here in America because they are citizens.

 

[ZenMode]

Of course I am. I still claim that your words and artful dodging is sufficient justification. How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer? Get over yourself, snowflake.

You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

You really don't stop, do you?

 

[CFordUNC]

If going point by point is so exhausting, just name one then.

Just answer these two questions....

1. Did a record number, in our country's history, of immigrants enter our country during Joe Biden's presidency?

2.If the answer is yes, how much coverage did the news sources you use to form your opinions dedicate to covering a historical record number of illegal immigration, much of which happened during a pandemic?

No.

Next question.

 

[finesse]

You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

You really don't stop, do you?

Why would I? What have I said that was any kind of misrepresentation or unsupported?

Where do you get me claiming anything anywhere on this board at any time other than a certain expertise at carpentry and bridge and those are rusty and worn/ Sensitive much?

 

[ZenMode]

This is about NYC's handling of housing immigrants, I suspect any federal money is going to similarly situated housing...

While a few upscale hotels such as the Roosevelt have been converted to shelter migrants, the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels.

Eric Trump said in a speech at the Republican National Convention, “illegal immigrants are housed in the most expensive hotels in New York,” but Sean Hennessey, a hotel industry adviser, told the New York Times it is primarily two-star hotels that are housing undocumented migrants.

New York City entered into a contract of up to $980 million with a hotel trade group to pay hotels that decide to shelter migrants under its “Sancturary Hotel Program.”

Most of those hotels were deep in debt, facing foreclosure or had received poor reviews from guests. About half were brand names including Courtyard, Holiday Inn Express, SpringHill Suites and Super 8.

The city contract requires hotels hosting migrants to pick up trash, do housekeeping every other day and provide fresh towels.

Are undocumented immigrants in most expensive New York hotels?

While about 65,000 migrants are being sheltered in New York City hotels, tent dormitories and other shelters, they are not in luxury hotels.

wisconsinwatch.org

What Eric Trump claims is of no interest. He's doing his job to paint a certain picture to benefit his dad. That's the norm for politics.

"the majority are housed in more affordable establishments, and none in five-star hotels."

Not exactly reassuring.

According to this link, NY has the third most expensive hotel average of any US city. So, if we have to house them in hotels, which I don't believe is necessary, why NY or any generally expensive city? If it's because they're close to the US immigration courts, that's illogical also because court hearings can be done remotely.

 

[nycfan]

FEMA bucks federal judge's order

FEMA official ignores judge's latest order, demands freeze on grant funding

Federal workers are being swept into the fight between Donald Trump and federal courts, with four FEMA aides fired Tuesday for being "deep state activists."

www.nbcnews.com

FEMA official ignores judge's latest order, demands freeze on grant funding​

Federal workers are being swept into the fight between Donald Trump and federal courts, with four FEMA aides fired Tuesday for being "deep state activists."

"... In an email with the subject line “URGENT: Holds on awards,” Stacey Street, the director of the agency’s Office of Grant Administration, told her team to freeze funding for grant programs going back several years, including those focused on emergency preparedness, homeland security, firefighting, protecting churches from terrorism and tribal security.

"For all awards FY23 and prior: put financial holds on all of your awards — all open awards, all years (2021, 2022, 2023, 2024)," Street wrote, using the shorthand "FY" for fiscal year.

NBC News obtained screenshots of the email from a recipient, who requested anonymity out of fear of reprisal.

"There's a lot of people who are running scared and trying to appease [the new administration]," the recipient said. "This is a violation of the court order."

Street did not immediately return a request for comment.

Earlier Monday, U.S. District Judge John J. McConnell had said the Trump administration continued to implement an executive order blocking federal grant programs despite his directive restraining the implementation of that order. ..."

 

[hedge]

How dare I treat you the way you acted. You didn't think acting that disingenuous about the separation of powers didn't deserve a child's primer?

You're claiming to be omniscient and using that claimed omniscience to justify being a prick.

Wait, are you saying you weren't being disingenuous and you simply really are that dumb? Takes a big man to admit that. Kudos...

 

[hedge]

So, if we have to house them in hotels, which I don't believe is necessary

Prisons are more expensive than hotels...

 

[PandemicBlue]

1. Not even close, and certainly not close as a % of the population. American history is a long time, chief.

2. Care to respond to my post in which I reminded you that you supported the things that you now claim are horrible?

Wait a minute....your position is that we didn't have a record number of border crossings under Joe Biden's four years than we did during any other four year period in our history?

 

[dukeman92]

It will never stop being crazy to me that folks think billionaires are going to be the saviors of the poor.

It will never stop being hilariously ironic that all these "good ole country boys" who pride themselves on being mans men, champions of common sense and able to sniff out bullshit were conned by the biggest city slickest New York grifter to ever walk the earth.

 

[HandsonFire]

America is growing tired of the party who thinks it is fine to ignore American citizens in the mountains of NC while they live in tents while at the same time, tries to sneak $59 million out the back door of the EPA to send to New York in order to provide luxury accommodations to people who are not only not American citizens, but who are also here illegally. That on top of the billions already spent. And this is only one example of the many.

But by all means Democrats, keep doing you. Keep exposing what is really important to your party. America needs to know.

Prove luxury accommodations. All we have is the word of Elon and that’s worth less than the dog shit on your carpet.

 

[superrific]

Wait a minute....your position is that we didn't have a record number of border crossings under Joe Biden's four years than we did during any other four year period in our history?

Something like 12-15 million people emigrated to the US between 1870-1880. In gross numbers, that's a hjgher run rate than Biden's term; as a % of the population, it's way higher.

You said "in our history." That's skipping the part where you seem to attribute that to Biden, when he mostly had nothing to do with it. This has been explained many times and I'm not going to rehash it again. Long story short: the courts enjoined the policies that Trump criticized Biden for ending. Biden followed the law, as he should. Congress should have changed the law if it wanted different results. Sigh.

 

[rodoheel]

I think this thread is a good illustration of the conservative mindset at work, especially as it applies to things like "the rule of law" or "the constitution." To conservatives, the law has two purposes: to protect their rights and to punish their enemies/opponents. When it is doing anything other than that, the law is an inconvenience to be ignored and dispensed with. That is why conservatives will on the one hand suddenly become constitutional "originalists" when it comes to things like civil rights and gay marriage and abortion - and happily seek redress from "unelected federal judges" to prevent those rights from being extended or protected - and then turn around and decry the very idea that a judge could rule that anything their own party wants to do is unconstitutional. This seemingly obvious cognitive dissonance is not really dissonance when you remember that in the conservative mind, law that protects conservatives and restrains liberals is inherently just, while law that protects liberals and constrains conservatives is inherently unjust. This same mindset is why conservatives who claim to care about "fraud" want to investigate welfare fraud and money going to NGOs, but have no interest in PPP fraud and complain about hiring IRS auditors to investigate tax fraud. It seems nonsensical, but it makes perfect sense when you remember who conservatives think the law should protect and who it should punish.

So you can see in this thread, from PandemicBlue and callatoroy and others, that they really could not care less about whether the Trump admin and their unelected Musk-backed hacker army run roughshod over any and all legal principles that are fundamental to our system of government and/or protect against the very fraud and corruption they claim to oppose, as long as they agree (or think they agree - in reality they probably don't understand very well) with what Trump and Musk are trying to do. Any law, constitution, or "unelected federal judge" who stands in the way is just another obstacle to be bulldozed. So don't ever expect them to stand up and say that there is some legal line they don't think Trump can or should cross - because there isn't one they really care about, unless it affects them personally. So that's why their response to this thread, rather than responding to the subject matter, is simply to whine about the same stuff they always whine about - Biden crime family, benefits to illegal immigrants, open border, yada yada yada. If the Trump admin announced the suspension of civil liberties to, like, fight Mexican gangs tomorrow, they'd simply cheer.

 

[nycfan]