Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

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Ramrouser said:
Trump's got you defending social secuirty/medicare/medicaid fraud, foreign aid for transgender drag shows and federal employees whining about returning to work after 4+ years.

Plus, you require her to defend the congestion tax which cost ordinary NYers $500 per month.
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Trump has you having to argue that Russia invading Ukraine was Ukraine's fault, Russia are the good guys and Ukraine are the bad guys, and that it's a good thing to haphazardly fire people in the government without even knowing what they do. You don't feel dumb yet?
 
superrific said:
Have you noticed how often you lash out at women? Whenever the GOP does something that you simply cannot defend, it makes you angry and you immediately start attacking people like Kathy Hochul. Very common pattern for you. I'm not saying you're a domestic abuser, but I'll say that you exhibit behaviors that are common among domestic abusers and considerably less common among the rest of us. Just thought maybe you'd like to understand the image you project.

And of course, you don't give a shit about congestion pricing in NYC. But you do like to attack females with authority.
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Most MAGAs seem to have problems with women in authority. Even Republican women seem to believe that men should run things. And they don't even treat their own women in politics very well, just look at Nikki Haley. The fact that Trump frequently refers to female critics as "horrible women" pretty much tells you all you need to know.
 
uncgriff said:
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I used to roll the dice
Feel the fear in my enemy's eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing
Now the old king is dead, long live the king
One minute, I held the key
Next the walls were closed on me
And I discovered that my castles stand
Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand

… It was a wicked and wild wind
Blew down the doors to let me in
Shattered windows and the sound of drums
People couldn't believe what I'd become
Revolutionaries wait
For my head on a silver plate
Just a puppet on a lonely string
Aw, who would ever wanna be king?
 
nycfan said:
Probably should have put this here instead of the Musk thread:

www.theatlantic.com

DOGE Has ‘God Mode’ Access to Government Data

The president’s special commission now has an unprecedented ability to view and manipulate information at many federal agencies.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

DOGE Has ‘God Mode’ Access to Government Data​

The president’s special commission now has an unprecedented ability to view and manipulate information at many federal agencies.

"...Among the federal agencies we reported on, USAID is the only one where we could confirm that DOGE has acquired God-mode access across the entire digital system. (The Trump administration has sought to effectively shut down USAID since the inauguration.) But as Musk and his acolytes enter a growing number of federal databases and IT systems, their unfettered access at USAID offers a sense of what they might be able to do elsewhere. At NASA, for example, it could mean access to knowledge about sensitive government technologies used for defense. At the CDC, such ability could expose millions of Americans’ health data and allow DOGE to access labs that store deadly pathogens. At Treasury, such access would allow Musk’s employees to view Americans’ names, Social Security numbers, and financial information. “It is not ridiculous to think they’d have bank-account and routing numbers for every single person in the United States,” the senior USAID source said. “What do you do with this information? I had to ask myself, Do I file my taxes this year or not? I had to sit and debate that.”

The federal government does not typically grant such wide-ranging access to a single entity, let alone one that is effectively under the control of an unelected, erratic, and politically extreme actor such as Musk. The group is working on behalf of Donald Trump, but sources we spoke with emphasized that the level of access DOGE possesses means that the organization may already be able to siphon data that Musk or his agents could hold on to forever, long after his time as a government liaison, or even after a potential falling-out with the president. ..."
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"Among the federal agencies we reported on, USAID is the only one where we could confirm that DOGE has acquired God-mode access across the entire digital system..."

Is anyone concerned about the fact that Elon can see the details of funding for DEI musicals in Cambodia.... or whatever stupidity it was?

@nycfan Since you post most of the articles/tweets/etc, and I normally reply to them just so it's clear what I'm replying to, it doesn't mean I'm necessarily directing my comment AT you.
 
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Callatoroy said:
I haven't missed any point. Mexico is complicit in killing 70,000 mostly innocent Americans every year by their refusal to clamp down on the cartels. They have had ample opportunity but have shown either through capitulation, corruption, or weakness that they are feckless in dealing with the cartels. So, trump threatens tariffs to get them to clamp down which won't likely work so the next step on the ladder is to target them as terrorists and attack them. Comparing a drone strike on some cartel outpost in the jungle vs gaza is a horrible comparison. Not even close to the same. With respect to this issue, mexico can suck a big ole avocado and chase it with a corona.
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Their refusal? Refusal?

What's our excuse? Those same cartels bring the drugs into the US, and they distribute the drugs within the US. Why have we refused to clamp down on them? Most of the drug runners are American citizens. Why haven't we put a stop to it?

Do you understand that this is a topic with a long history? We went through this in the 80s with the Medillin cartel. The Colombian government literally declared war on them, and the country was torn apart with civil conflict and paramilitary violence until it was barely functional. The drugs kept flowing to America. They became more plentiful. The US spent billions on a War On Drugs that attacked supply, and they failed.

The way to address the problem is to address drug addiction in the US. There are medications that greatly assist in recovering from addiction. They are used comparatively rarely in the US because . . . the folks who run the 12 step programs (often right-wing Christians) don't want the competition because it will drive them out of business (12 step programs being categorical failures as medical interventions, barely better than placebo).

Now we have an actual heroin addict running HHS.

Now, what were you saying about Mexico's complicity? By the way the area Trump wants to attack has no jungles. Most of Mexico has no jungles.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Most MAGAs seem to have problems with women in authority. Even Republican women seem to believe that men should run things. And they don't even treat their own women in politics very well, just look at Nikki Haley. The fact that Trump frequently refers to female critics as "horrible women" pretty much tells you all you need to know.
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Always calls them “nasty “
 
ChileG said:
Shows the ridiculousness of saying, “look at how much DoGE is saving, they announce it on their website with NUMBERS!!!”
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That whole department is a fucking joke, and so is Elon. It's an unofficial and likely illegal department made up mostly of college-age amateurs who have no freaking idea of what they are doing and whose data and statistics are dubious at best, and likely fake or wildly inaccurate at worst. They're gleefully running through the government like a bull in a China shop, and that's exactly what MAGA thought they wanted, except that now that the cuts and chaos are beginning to negatively affect some of them they're starting to complain that they never thought this would happen to them. For evidence just look at the recent articles posted on here about Trump-voting farmers being hurt by all of these cuts, or Trump-voting veterans (some disabled) losing their government jobs they thought they would have until retirement. As in his first term it's a clown car show, except that this time a good many people are getting hurt, including a growing number of his supporters.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
That whole department is a fucking joke, and so is Elon. It's an unofficial and likely illegal department made up mostly of college-age amateurs who have no freaking idea of what they are doing and whose data and statistics are dubious at best, and likely fake or wildly inaccurate at worst. They're gleefully running through the government like a bull in a China shop, and that's exactly what MAGA thought they wanted, except that now that the cuts and chaos are beginning to negatively affect some of them they're starting to complain that they never thought this would happen to them. For evidence just look at the recent articles posted on here about Trump-voting farmers being hurt by all of these cuts, or Trump-voting veterans (some disabled) losing their government jobs they thought they would have until retirement. As in his first term it's a clown car show, except that this time a good many people are getting hurt, including a growing number of his supporters.
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Callatoroy said:
I don't have to feel anything about it because it won't ever happen. You are hung up on the premise that fair matters. Fuck fair. We have begged and pleaded for mexico to stop the fentanyl but they either can't or won't. In either case the result is the same. So if they can't or won't then we can either accept 70,000 deaths a year, which could be someone in your family, or we can do something about it. After 4 years of jill doing nothing but giving lip service trump campaigned on doing something and he is going to do something. You can sit on your false moral high ground and publicly trash him for not following "normal" protocol while secretly thanking him after the flow gets cut and cartels are cripled by dead cartel heads. And we aren't attacking an ally. We are attacking a terrorist organization that is killing Americans. You don't have a problem with dropping a drone strike on an isis leader or hamas leader. No difference. Protecting Americans from fentanyl is no different than protecting Americans from suicide bombers in a mall.
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Why are you blaming Mexico for American failures? It's always the same for you guys. The reason that we think you're racists is that, whenever you get angry at something, you lash out at brown people and blame them for the problems.

Here's the reality:

1. The **primary** responsibility for curtailing heroin use in the US belongs to the US. Mexico's government doesn't actually have any responsibility to help us at all.

2. For 50 years, America has completely failed. We have tried military solutions before. We fucking bombed and sprayed herbicide all over South America. It did not stop the drugs. We have tried law enforcement solutions. They have also been ineffective.

3. Mexico is and long has been working with the US on the problem. But it is manifestly NOT their fault that so many Americans turn to opiate addiction. America and Americans did that. How about you focus your accountability on the people WITHIN THIS COUNTRY who are responsible. That means identifying failed policies and changing them, and replacing the leadership. But you guys don't want to do that, because the best ways to treat addiction involve scientific medicine.

4. At a minimum, the US needs to be imprisoning our own homegrown drug dealers before bombing other countries. And Trump surely will -- wait, what's that? He pardoned one of the most prolific drug traffickers in history, who also tried to have five people murdered? Ross Ulbricht? That guy was pardoned?

Oh.

5. "Protecting Americans from fentanyl is no different than protecting Americans from suicide bombers in a mall" might be the stupidest of all the incredibly stupid things posted on this board. What went through your mind as you typed that? Were you just blinded by rage?
 
Ramrouser said:
It just shows how bad and WASTEFUL the legislation was in the first place - which we said at the time it was passed. I understand what you're saying about appropriated funds but this "stuff" is real hard to defend.

The President, as chief executive, has some discretion in the way these appropriated funds are distributed.
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1. "in the way" is not the same as "whether."
2. The President did exercise that discretion. Joe Biden was president at the time. It doesn't matter if you disagree with him. His actions were lawful. They cannot be undone because Trump just wants to. Imagine how things would go if one administration just gets to undo everything the previous one does because of simple disagreement?
3. None of it is hard to defend. What's hard to defend is your refusal to acknowledge the problem of climate change, which is why you just ignore it and lash out at women.
 
superrific said:
Yeah, I realized later that I lost a factor of 1000 in there but it didn't seem worth rushing to my computer to correct it.
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Still, 20 ponds of fentanyl is equivalent of up to a ton of heroin and there's a new class of drugs 20 times stronger. As you and others have said, you're not stopping the drugs in Mexico and you're not stopping them at the borders. The amounts needed are too small to be easy to discover and less than one per cent comes in with illegals. Most, about 85%, comes in with American citizens.
 
the good ole war against drugs lmao cant believe anyone still argues about it. been spendings billions a year on it for decades and we have more drugs hhere than ever before

same goes for illegals

we have a great demand for drugs here and it help fund our self sustaining joke of a legal system

we have a great demand for cheap illegal labor its not going anywhere either

same ole tired bipartisan bickering over a nothing burger thats not going to change one bit
 
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