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These discussions...I always refer back to the good old days when the US decided spraying paraquat on Mexican marijuana fields would end the smuggling. Well it did. At the same time much more potent pot from Columbia and elswhere arrived with a big bump in sales and many of the pot cartels said fuck it, cocaine is much easier to bring in and we make way more money!

Prohibition, prostitution. Supply and demand. Blah, blah, blah.
 
finesse said:
I see how that works. It's like if you go to a jungle river and kill one crocodile, all the others will just disappear.

It's absolutely stupid to try to stop the cartels outside the country. You can't do it and you'll only piss off everybody in the attempt.
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"Outside the country"??? What does that mean?
 
grimes70 said:
These discussions...I always refer back to the good old days when the US decided spraying paraquat on Mexican marijuana fields would end the smuggling. Well it did. At the same time much more potent pot from Columbia and elswhere arrived with a big bump in sales and many of the pot cartels said fuck it, cocaine is much easier to bring in and we make way more money!

Prohibition, prostitution. Supply and demand. Blah, blah, blah.
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big difference between marijuana fields and fentanyl. Many people die from fentanyl without ever realizing they are ingesting it or without ever demanding it. It is no different than a terrorist attack.
 
How many cartel members would have to die in Mexico before the flow of fentanyl would be significantly stanched? How many dead Mexican citizens would be acceptable to Mexico with ZERO blowback to America? How much would Americans be willing to spend on this "drug war"? How many American soldiers could be lost before political blowback? What's the endgame of such a military strikes and how would you know if they were successful? What if they were not successful? Is there an option B or C? If 50% of the cartel "jungle" is obliterated does that legitimately stop the flow, limit it by some percentage? Or just allow for the movement of the drug making process to some other part of Mexico. How many US soldiers would need to stay in Mexico to make sure the "operation" was completed? For how long? At what risk to American soldiers and Mexican citizens and long term regional stability? Could folks not just hop down to Guatemala and continue the operation? How does the Mexican government feel about trade agreements with the US as long as US soldiers are occupying Mexican soil? So many questions. Callatoroy, do you have any answers to these questions?
 
Callatoroy said:
"Outside the country"??? What does that mean?
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Most fentanyl is brought in by Americans and not the cartels themselves. Prohibition of drugs, including alcohol, has always turned into a fiasco that led to a huge growth in the numbers and wealth of the illicit providers. The best way to deal with the drug problems are education and rehabilitation. That doesn't mean "Just say no." That's just saying that you're stupid. It means a clear look at the dangers and how and what to avoid.

As a means to pay for this and to mitigate the single thing that makes drugs the most dangerous, we need to legalize and tax them. The biggest killer is not knowing the dosage or the purity of the drugs you get on the street. Being available in known qualities and quantities would probably cut overdoses by 90% or more. And no one would be getting addicted because they got something they didn't want.
 
There are still several questionable appointments pending (like Dr. Oz), but yeah, they got the headline Bizarro World nominees (except Matt Gaetz) through.
 
nycfan said:
There are still several questionable appointments pending (like Dr. Oz), but yeah, they got the headline Bizarro World nominees (except Matt Gaetz) through.
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And the thing that likely derailed Gaetz is that he had been in Congress for years so they know and dislike him on a personal level.
 
nycfan said:
There are still several questionable appointments pending (like Dr. Oz), but yeah, they got the headline Bizarro World nominees (except Matt Gaetz) through.
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They picked the worst possible people for each position.

A Vax denier in charge of HHS
A lunatic in charge of the FBI
A Russian asset in charge of National Intelligence
And a Drunken White Supremacist in charge of the Pentagon

What could go wrong?
 
Callatoroy said:
big difference between marijuana fields and fentanyl. Many people die from fentanyl without ever realizing they are ingesting it or without ever demanding it. It is no different than a terrorist attack.
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That wasn't the point at all. Do you understand what the poster was saying? If you can't defeat marijuana smuggling by killing the plants, how can you possibly defeat fentanyl smuggling? Fentanyl is much easier to produce, can be done in small underground labs, and much easier to smuggle due to its insanely small volume.
 
dukeman92 said:
They picked the worst possible people for each position.

A Vax denier in charge of HHS
A lunatic in charge of the FBI
A Russian asset in charge of National Intelligence
And a Drunken White Supremacist in charge of the Pentagon

What could go wrong?
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It's a centuries' old problem.

The poet Rumi, who died in Turkey in 1273, included this line in the Third Book of Masnavi, which was one of six books of poetry written in the 13th century:

Fish begins to stink at the head, not the tail.
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