Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

[McAdooSmackinYou]

I'm just saying that, on its face, I see no issue with someone being asked to detail what they do as part of their daily/weekly activities.

You approach this like someone who went to shitty schools and has held menial jobs. You've completed accepted your place in the hierarchy, which is fine and all, but quit trying to drag the rest of down with you.

 

[ZenMode]

But no lawyer would think of those as separate tasks.

And if I was in receipt of an email in which a lawyer tried to claim those as five separate things, I might normally think poorly of that lawyer. Under the circumstances, of course, I would recognize that there are no good answers to stupid questions and not worry about it, but the lawyer doesn't know that. Your idea here requires people to conceptualize their jobs in ways that make no sense for what you are actually doing.

Here's an analogy. RJ Davis is handed the ball. He spins it in his hand, bends his knees, lifts his arms up to his head, extends his arms while pushing up with his legs, and flicks the ball off his forefinger toward the basket. Five things, right? No, he shot a free throw.

Lawyers, of all professionals, are the most likely to be able to present their case to Elon.

In the world of all possible levels of intelligence, creativity and effort, I clearly can't help if someone is unable to articulate the responsibilities of their job. If someone is that incapable, it might be best if they don't work for the federal government.

 

[ZenMode]

You approach this like someone who went to shitty schools and has held menial jobs. You've completed accepted your place in the hierarchy, which is fine and all, but quit trying to drag the rest of down with you.

Some of us work in a right-to-work state, and at publicly traded companies where profits are a priority and, as such, we are all constantly trying to make ourselves relevant and stand out to keep our jobs.

We can't all work for unions or the government.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Lawyers, of all professionals, are the most likely to be able to present their case to Elon.

In the world of all possible levels of intelligence, creativity and effort, I clearly can't help if someone is unable to articulate the responsibilities of their job. If someone is that incapable, it might be best if they don't work for the federal government.

There are differences between job responsibilities and what you did at work during a particular week. I have a lot of job responsibilities, but I don’t deal with them all every week.

 

[ChileG]

Some of us work in a right-to-work state, and at publicly traded companies where profits are a priority and, as such, we are all constantly trying to make ourselves relevant and stand out to keep our jobs.

We can't all work for unions or the government.

Same.
I’ve never been asked to do something like this in 32 years of working. Have you? Has anyone outside of maybe those at Twitter?

 

[nycfan]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-administration-news-02-25-25/index.html

“One million federal workers responded to an email requesting an accounting of their work last week, the White House said Tuesday, as it sought to clarify the parameters of the new personnel directive after conflicting guidance from Elon Musk and agencies about the email sparked confusion. It comes as the White House said the billionaire, who is not a Cabinet member, will attend Trump’s first official Cabinet meeting tomorrow. “

 

[UNCatTech]

DOGE = Department Of Getting Even???
= Department of Grousome Events??
= Damaging our Great Electorate?
= Damn Old Goofy Elon?

 

[nycfan]

 

[UNCatTech]

Same.
I’ve never been asked to do something like this in 32 years of working. Have you? Has anyone outside of maybe those at Twitter?

Everyone I've known that faced a similar request was either a bad employee or reported to a micromanaging piece of .

 

[UNCatTech]

If you can't describe the work you do, in 5 bullets, after two months of work, that would seem to be a problem. Nevermind, that few are literally in their first 2 months of work.

Yea,
1 manage my team.
2 manage team budget.
3 manage projects.
4 manage validations.
5 manage compliance.

Yea, that really gives them a lot of information.

This doesn't have anything to do with not being able to describe one's work expectations and responsibilities, it's simple the wrong way to accomplish the goal and provides no value to the process. It's more drump and musk bullshit.

It's a way for them to fire people for not responding to their asinine request.

 

[superrific]

Yea,
1 manage my team.
2 manage team budget.
3 manage projects.
4 manage validations.
5 manage compliance.

Yea, that really gives them a lot of information.

This doesn't have anything to do with not being able to describe one's work expectations and responsibilities, it's simple the wrong way to accomplish the goal and provides no value to the process. It's more drump and musk bullshit.

It's a way for them to fire people for not responding to their asinine request.

What Zen is showing is that he's never had a managerial job.

 

[UNCatTech]

"I might spend an entire week working on an appellate brief. It can be very time consuming. I don’t know how I’d break that down into multiple bullet points. Sometimes I might be in trial for an entire week, where all I do is focus on that trial. I guess I could break that down in bullet points like: (1) I cross examined witness A; (2) I cross examined witness B; (3) I objected to the admission of evidence and presented an argument against its admissibility; (4) I cross examined witness C, etc."

There you go. Four of the five bullets are done just that fast.

And how does that give us an accurate understanding of your job and how you are performing it? It doesn't.

I'd just fire you for not being able to get a judgement after one witness. You're not very efficient from my perspective.

 

[ZenMode]

What Zen is showing is that he's never had a managerial job.

I have managed employees and currently have a managerial job, though not managing employees.

In your zeal to try to make a point, you missed that facts that literally no part of any discussion, I've been involved in, has mentioned managers... until now.

 

[UNCatTech]

Rock, as the person in charge, could give you precisely the authority you just described, could he not?

Not if this private message board were designed with the checks and balances of our federal government.

What you are describing is a dictatorship, where one person has authority. In case you haven't noticed our president still isn't a dictator. But with people like you so willing to let him do a he pleases, we may be heading that way.

 

[TarSpiel]

It's somewhat heartening to think that all the federal employees who supported Trump/Musk or were neutral about them are now probably lining up to join the ranks of the deep state.

If the "deep state" didn't exist before, it does now, and includes every federal employee who is interested in continuing to be able to feed their children.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

The long-term project I work on started a mandate a couple of years ago that everyone needed to log how much time they spent on each task per week, basically groupings of types of work (meetings, training, testing, etc.)

It was the dumbest thing ever and took extra time to put into a system what I did during the day. It also wasn't important enough at the end of the week to have actually logged what I really did, so I just would put 14 hours on this, 12 on this, etc until it added up to 40. Eventually the management stopped making us do this because the stats they were getting from it were totally meaningless and everyone hated them for making us do it.

Even the people that didn't care at first and are annoying "the managers mean well!" brown-nosers got tired of it after a couple months.

 

[ZenMode]

Not if this private message board were designed with the checks and balances of our federal government.

What you are describing is a dictatorship, where one person has authority. In case you haven't noticed our president still isn't a dictator. But with people like you so willing to let him do a he pleases, we may be heading that way.

The President runs the executive branch. The question of how hands-on he can run it is for the courts to decide.

 

[mynameisbond]

The DOGE and Pony Show marches on.

 

[nycfan]

For Trump, 3 court losses in 90 minutes​

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/politics/trump-court-losses-immigration-spending-freeze/index.html

"... In DC, Judge Loren AliKhan issued a preliminary injunction that indefinitely blocks the administration from freezing federal grants and loans. The ruling expands an earlier block the appointee of former President Joe Biden issued last month shortly after the White House ordered the funding freeze.

Trump’s spending freeze, she wrote, was “irrational, imprudent, and precipitated a nationwide crisis.” She said the nonprofits that brought the challenge were likely to succeed on their claims that the freeze was unlawful.

...a separate jurist in the DC federal courthouse – Judge Amir Ali – ordered the Trump administration to pay foreign aid-related money owed to government contractors and nonprofit groups by Wednesday night, amid the legal fight over the freezing of USAID and State Department funds.

That order amounted to a legal reprimand after the plaintiffs in the cases repeatedly accused the administration of not complying with Ali’s earlier temporary restraining order that revived the funding contracts and grants that existed at the end of the Biden administration.

Ali – also a Biden appointee – rebuffed an earlier call by the challengers for the administration to be held in contempt for its alleged non-compliance. But he issued a new order requiring, in more forceful terms, that the government pay money owed to contractors and non-profits for work that had already been completed by the February 13 order.

Meanwhile, across the country in Washington state, a federal judge in Seattle issued a preliminary injunction on Tuesday that halts Trump’s executive order suspending refugee admissions and funding.

Judge Jamal Whitehead, who was also appointed by Biden, said that Trump’s “actions amount to an effective nullification of congressional will in establishing the nation’s refugee admissions program.”

“While the president has substantial discretion to suspend refugee admissions, that authority is not limitless,” the judge said.

Trump’s executive order, signed on his first day back in office, also directed a review of the refugee program and stated that resettlement should only resume if deemed to be in the “national interest” – a move critics argue is a de facto refugee ban. ..."

 

[McAdooSmackinYou]

Some of us work in a right-to-work state, and at publicly traded companies where profits are a priority and, as such, we are all constantly trying to make ourselves relevant and stand out to keep our jobs.

We can't all work for unions or the government.

Oh. I’ve been on the dole my whole life so I can’t really imagine what that’s like.