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Like your beloved Pres Biden. What’s your story? My guess you’re either bitter divorced guy or never married guy that’s bitter women don’t like him. I’’\ll
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DM you photos of my family if you need further proof of my family.
CFordUNC
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My hope as it pertains to immigration is that the administration will deport the folks who are already slated for deportation and call it a win, and will then expend significant resources beefing up border patrol personnel, technological means of securing the border, and more immigration/asylum/work visa processing personnel. I won't agree with any needlessly cruel or inhumane methods, and I won't appreciate any performative political theater, but if Trump 2.0 figures out a way to solve (or make a lot of progress toward solving) our immigration issues, I'll happily tip my cap. It's obviously well-documented how much I don't approve of Trump as a person or as a leader, but as I keep saying, I am sincerely hoping that some good comes out of his second administration. I'm going to choose to look on the bright side until or unless given reason otherwise.
CFordUNC
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Ok, this is getting really bizarre. You're making it really, really strange. Please for the love of all that is holy do not DM me any pictures of anything...your family or otherwise. That's.....creepy. I think we should probably end this exchange and get you off to bed before you say anything weirder than you already have!
Mulberry Heel
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Trumpers really are weirdos. It's a shame that the Harris campaign just stopped using that phrase after a few weeks, because it was so accurate and really was getting under their skin.
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I hope overall that you are correct and this all turns out to be more performative shock and awe deportation of low-hanging fruit (actual criminals) than a genuine plan to actually build internment camps etc.
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Oh there will be some human pain and this board will go insane with "separating kids from families" and "putting kids in cages" and trying to undo all the bad the biden administration caused. One of the absolute worst is the turning a blind eye to the devastation and horror imparted on kids due to cartels while this board pretended all along that there is no crisis at the border and the right is just making shit up and its all good. Several went as far as to say the right was blowing the issue way out of proportion and nobody cares about the border except maga because they are racist. Of course they will be the very first hypocrites to scream when the left's media, who has misled them every step of the way, tries to portray trump as evil for cleaning up the mess. All of a sudden, the plight of immigrant kids will zoom to the top of their hypocritical, faux moral outrage, list of trump failures.
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Some strong Jerry Falwell vibes ITT.
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When I look at this guy, three words pop into mind. Banality of evil.
Not saying he's Eichmann, just that he gives off this workmanlike vibe -- like he schlumps every morning to the office, slashes some people's health insurance, eats his roast beef sandwich for lunch, goes to some meetings with Russian oligarchs and then back home for meatloaf and potatoes.
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Interest rates rose the day after the election as the bond market reacted to Trump’s stated policies.
So, 0 for 1 so far.
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BlooVooDoo
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It could be difficult to get an immigration bill passed, even with Republican control of congress given the drama over the last attempt. MAGA voters want Trump to deliver on his promise to deport millions and the majorities are very slim. I could see a handful of senators and representatives balking because a bill doesn’t go far enough and some balking because it goes too far.
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If we’re going to move in a forward direction in the next decade we need this to hurt the people who voted for it.
Bring on the camps. Bring on the tariffs. Bring on the end of the Department of Education.
Oh, that's all true and you're either foolish or fiendish.
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Could you help us understand how sending immigrant kids back to Mexico better protects them from the cartels that control large parts of Mexico? Thanks in advance.
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Yea
But we won't-just scary made up crap
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Gift Link —> Opinion | Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations
“… Understand, first of all, that no change is needed to U.S. law to start the deportation process for every unauthorized immigrant in the United States. Being in the country without proper immigration status is a civil violation, and deportation is considered the civil penalty for it. Just as he did during his first term, Mr. Trump will almost certainly issue guidance to Immigration and Customs Enforcement that every unauthorized immigrant is fair game for arrest, and that deportable immigrants who happen to get caught up by ICE, even if agents aren’t specifically looking for that person, could also be detained.
ICE agents already have authority to conduct enforcement in residential and commercial areas; the reason they usually haven’t (even under Mr. Trump) is because those raids take a lot of planning for the frequently low numbers of people they actually nab. It requires far less effort to simply pick up immigrants from local jails, which is why ICE tends to prefer working with local law enforcement. Since some local police are more willing to cooperate than others, this makes deportation risk a matter of geography.
But the arrest of immigrants isn’t the same as their removal.
For most immigrants — those who haven’t been apprehended shortly after their arrival — deportation isn’t a quick process. It generally entails the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, to prove that the immigrants lack legal status and that they can’t apply for relief (such as asylum). In the meantime, they’re either released on supervision or held in immigration detention.
… In fiscal year 2024, Congress gave ICE the money for 41,500 detention beds. This is insufficient for anything that would constitute mass deportation. Extra holding facilities can be spun up as needed, but not immediately — and at higher cost (because of, say, noncompetitive contractor bids) than building a detention facility the usual way.
Immigration courts are famously backlogged, not least because that’s where asylum-seekers end up to present their cases. …
As of the end of September, 3.7 million people were waiting for their claims to be resolved. This includes an overwhelming majority of the recent border crossers whose arrival under President Biden so incensed Mr. Trump and his allies. They can try to rush their court cases through faster (though they’ll need people, meaning money, to do it), but there’s not much juice to squeeze in rounding up people who are already, legally speaking, in deportation proceedings. …”
Don’t Do Trump’s Work for Him on Mass Deportations
“… Understand, first of all, that no change is needed to U.S. law to start the deportation process for every unauthorized immigrant in the United States. Being in the country without proper immigration status is a civil violation, and deportation is considered the civil penalty for it. Just as he did during his first term, Mr. Trump will almost certainly issue guidance to Immigration and Customs Enforcement that every unauthorized immigrant is fair game for arrest, and that deportable immigrants who happen to get caught up by ICE, even if agents aren’t specifically looking for that person, could also be detained.
ICE agents already have authority to conduct enforcement in residential and commercial areas; the reason they usually haven’t (even under Mr. Trump) is because those raids take a lot of planning for the frequently low numbers of people they actually nab. It requires far less effort to simply pick up immigrants from local jails, which is why ICE tends to prefer working with local law enforcement. Since some local police are more willing to cooperate than others, this makes deportation risk a matter of geography.
But the arrest of immigrants isn’t the same as their removal.
For most immigrants — those who haven’t been apprehended shortly after their arrival — deportation isn’t a quick process. It generally entails the right to a hearing before an immigration judge, to prove that the immigrants lack legal status and that they can’t apply for relief (such as asylum). In the meantime, they’re either released on supervision or held in immigration detention.
… In fiscal year 2024, Congress gave ICE the money for 41,500 detention beds. This is insufficient for anything that would constitute mass deportation. Extra holding facilities can be spun up as needed, but not immediately — and at higher cost (because of, say, noncompetitive contractor bids) than building a detention facility the usual way.
Immigration courts are famously backlogged, not least because that’s where asylum-seekers end up to present their cases. …
As of the end of September, 3.7 million people were waiting for their claims to be resolved. This includes an overwhelming majority of the recent border crossers whose arrival under President Biden so incensed Mr. Trump and his allies. They can try to rush their court cases through faster (though they’ll need people, meaning money, to do it), but there’s not much juice to squeeze in rounding up people who are already, legally speaking, in deportation proceedings. …”
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(Cont’d)
“… Many Trump critics are liable to wave off such considerations, because they assume that a second Trump administration will have no problem breaking the law en masse to deport large numbers of people. Even if true, that doesn’t exempt them from the logistical realities: beds in detention, seats on planes.
That this mass deportation will happen with no legal restraints, accountability or oversight is by no means a premise to be granted without contest. Because resigning oneself in advance to a maximalist vision of mass deportation helps accomplish the same goal: making immigrants feel they have no choice but to leave the United States.
There are two previous occasions in which the U.S. federal government can be said to have engaged in mass deportation — around the 1930s and the 1950s. Both entailed horrific conditions for those caught and deported, and the tearing apart of families with claims to both the United States and other countries. But in both cases, the federal government ultimately took credit for “deporting” some people it never actually laid hands on — those who had been pressured or terrorized into leaving.
In the 1930s, high-profile raids in Los Angeles didn’t net that many immigrants to deport — the real impact was in sending the message that raids might happen, leading some immigrants to pick up and leave and many more to stay home and out of the public eye.
In 1954 and 1955, the so-called Operation Wetback probably arrested and removed fewer immigrants than had been removed the year before — historians think of it as a retroactive P.R. campaign for the previous year’s efforts, but one that had effects of its own. In the first month of Operation Wetback, one historian estimates, 60,000 immigrants left Texas voluntarily — about as many as the government apprehended throughout the country per month. …”
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So-called self-deportation is an express goal. And I have no objection to encouraging self-deportation via generally more focused and better funded enforcement of US immigration laws that include basic due process. And I certainly have no objection to deporting anyone convicted of criminal activity in the U.S. (if that makes the most sense — it probably makes more sense for us to incarcerate a murderer than deport him and hope he doesn’t sneak back in again).
But if the means/ends approach bends toward terrorizing people and separating families and holding people in brutal conditions, then we have something different on our hands. We’ll see. Our best hope is that the Administration opens with some whiz bang raids on a few targeted cases for the PR rush and falls back to rational but increased enforcement actions consistent with existing law. But they certainly don’t sound like that is the plan.
“… Many Trump critics are liable to wave off such considerations, because they assume that a second Trump administration will have no problem breaking the law en masse to deport large numbers of people. Even if true, that doesn’t exempt them from the logistical realities: beds in detention, seats on planes.
That this mass deportation will happen with no legal restraints, accountability or oversight is by no means a premise to be granted without contest. Because resigning oneself in advance to a maximalist vision of mass deportation helps accomplish the same goal: making immigrants feel they have no choice but to leave the United States.
There are two previous occasions in which the U.S. federal government can be said to have engaged in mass deportation — around the 1930s and the 1950s. Both entailed horrific conditions for those caught and deported, and the tearing apart of families with claims to both the United States and other countries. But in both cases, the federal government ultimately took credit for “deporting” some people it never actually laid hands on — those who had been pressured or terrorized into leaving.
In the 1930s, high-profile raids in Los Angeles didn’t net that many immigrants to deport — the real impact was in sending the message that raids might happen, leading some immigrants to pick up and leave and many more to stay home and out of the public eye.
In 1954 and 1955, the so-called Operation Wetback probably arrested and removed fewer immigrants than had been removed the year before — historians think of it as a retroactive P.R. campaign for the previous year’s efforts, but one that had effects of its own. In the first month of Operation Wetback, one historian estimates, 60,000 immigrants left Texas voluntarily — about as many as the government apprehended throughout the country per month. …”
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So-called self-deportation is an express goal. And I have no objection to encouraging self-deportation via generally more focused and better funded enforcement of US immigration laws that include basic due process. And I certainly have no objection to deporting anyone convicted of criminal activity in the U.S. (if that makes the most sense — it probably makes more sense for us to incarcerate a murderer than deport him and hope he doesn’t sneak back in again).
But if the means/ends approach bends toward terrorizing people and separating families and holding people in brutal conditions, then we have something different on our hands. We’ll see. Our best hope is that the Administration opens with some whiz bang raids on a few targeted cases for the PR rush and falls back to rational but increased enforcement actions consistent with existing law. But they certainly don’t sound like that is the plan.
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Would you shut the fuck up with your preening for once? You've constantly lamented how you want people to engage you in good faith and youll return it. Several have. Many have not. You respond to those who do engage thoughtfully with just as much MAGA vitriol as those who give you hell.
So just shut your fucking trap for once. You've proven yourself to be the problem, not anything remotely resembling the solution to it.