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We'll see soon enough if the Biden Administration was lying when they said Congress needed to act in order to stop the flood of illegals into our country. Trump will have the same immigration laws to deal with as Biden, like he already had during his first term, and let's see what he is able to get done.

It is astonishing to me how party affiliation can convince supposedly rational people to be accepting of what has taken place at the borders over the past 4 years. We are talking about millions of people from all over the world just walking across, being flown across and coming straight on in....bused or flown to a neighborhood of their choosing....as long as that neighborhood isn't a neighborhood occupied by the people actually in charge of making these decisions.

We have no idea who these people are. How could we? You see how long it takes for the FBI to conduct a background investigation into a cabinet selection? How was there enough time to properly vet millions of immigrants just showing up at the border without becoming overwhelmed? Where did the answers come from pertaining to the identity of these millions of migrants? From the same countries who are so corrupt that it led to everyone trying to escape from them? What about the 2 million known gotaways? Who are they? Why did they still feel the need to sneak in when everyone else was just walking in and getting free transportation, free medical care, free housing, free food? How many more are unknown? Everybody knows the answers to these questions but yet it was good enough for some to see Alejandro Mayorkas lie to the entire nation about the border being secure. I guess the border was secure just like the gates around Kenan Stadium are secure but on any given Saturday 50+ thousand people will walk right into Kenan. Why? Because Carolina wants them there, just like the Biden Administration wanted all of these migrants here.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lost migrant children? Is anyone on the left concerned about them? I remember when pictures from the Obama Administration showing children in cages were used to stoke outrage towards Trump about separating families at the border. Are all the same people who were so concerned then not equally concerned (or more) now about migrant children actually being lost?

And lastly, where is all the money needed to take care of millions of indigent people supposed to come from in a country already 36 trillion in debit trying to take care of the responsibilities we already have? He's going to cut Social Security, he's going to cut Medicare, Social Security is going to go bankrupt, Medicare is going to go bankrupt, year after year, over and over again. How can anyone screaming those concerns now remain quiet while millions of people are allowed in who will consume the exact same resources?

So, now we will get to watch the liberal news media (the same media who ignored the millions of immigrants when they entered) try to get any and all footage of any illegal immigrant who is caught and detained pending deportation, even if that immigrant is a criminal who the Democrat run sanctuary cities have and are currently trying to protect while endangering their own citizens in the process, in their attempt to make the Trump Administration look as cruel as possible. All these people, many of which I'm sure are good hardworking people, may now be forced to go back to their home country....a country they likely would have never left had it not been for the Biden Administration rolling out the welcome mat.
 
ChileG said:
Except he already said he would.


Also, he was asked this during his hearing today and didn’t answer
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ZenMode said:
There are probably many things that our military/leadership has done that, by today's standards, seem unacceptable. Using nukes, as we did on Japan, being one of them. Even our local law enforcement behaves much, much differently than it would have 50 years ago. I don't think we'll ever know what truly happened at Kent State, and why some of the guardsmen opened fire, but I also believe it's an exception that proves the rule.

Obviously, I could be wrong, but I really don't see even Hegseth, even if ordered by Trump, using the military on US citizens.
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Except that he's already said that he would and was asked about it at the hearing today. When people tell you that they will do something if they are given the power, it's usually a wise move to believe them. Except that of course you don't, because your whole schtick here has been that Trump 2.0 won't really be that bad, and admitting that this guy might actually do what he's said he would do would ruin that line of argument.
 
dukeman92 said:
We literally just watched a former member of the military mow down the very people he was sworn to protect in a staggering act of domestic terrorism. So why would being a former member of the military keep Hegseth from kissing Donald's boots?

It's much more likely that that's EXACTY the reason he's been nominated to such a position that he is so woefully unqualified for. Especially after the months long tirade the president-elect has engaged in. A tirade in which he told anyone who would listen that he plans to weaponize both the DoJ & DoD.
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He wasn't performing that act as a military action/command. There's no way to account for mentally unstable people.
 
nycfan said:
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He’s been getting obliterated by the gaming community for this. Some of the top Twitch streamers have been unloading on him for having someone else build the character up for him and then taking credit for being one of the top players in the world when he clearly doesn’t even know how to play the game.

Yes, in the grand scheme of things, it’s just video games, but it’s so on brand for this guy to take credit for the hard work and ingenuity of others.
 
PandemicBlue said:
We'll see soon enough if the Biden Administration was lying when they said Congress needed to act in order to stop the flood of illegals into our country. Trump will have the same immigration laws to deal with as Biden, like he already had during his first term, and let's see what he is able to get done.

It is astonishing to me how party affiliation can convince supposedly rational people to be accepting of what has taken place at the borders over the past 4 years. We are talking about millions of people from all over the world just walking across, being flown across and coming straight on in....bused or flown to a neighborhood of their choosing....as long as that neighborhood isn't a neighborhood occupied by the people actually in charge of making these decisions.

We have no idea who these people are. How could we? You see how long it takes for the FBI to conduct a background investigation into a cabinet selection? How was there enough time to properly vet millions of immigrants just showing up at the border without becoming overwhelmed? Where did the answers come from pertaining to the identity of these millions of migrants? From the same countries who are so corrupt that it led to everyone trying to escape from them? What about the 2 million known gotaways? Who are they? Why did they still feel the need to sneak in when everyone else was just walking in and getting free transportation, free medical care, free housing, free food? How many more are unknown? Everybody knows the answers to these questions but yet it was good enough for some to see Alejandro Mayorkas lie to the entire nation about the border being secure. I guess the border was secure just like the gates around Kenan Stadium are secure but on any given Saturday 50+ thousand people will walk right into Kenan. Why? Because Carolina wants them there, just like the Biden Administration wanted all of these migrants here.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lost migrant children? Is anyone on the left concerned about them? I remember when pictures from the Obama Administration showing children in cages were used to stoke outrage towards Trump about separating families at the border. Are all the same people who were so concerned then not equally concerned (or more) now about migrant children actually being lost?

And lastly, where is all the money needed to take care of millions of indigent people supposed to come from in a country already 36 trillion in debit trying to take care of the responsibilities we already have? He's going to cut Social Security, he's going to cut Medicare, Social Security is going to go bankrupt, Medicare is going to go bankrupt, year after year, over and over again. How can anyone screaming those concerns now remain quiet while millions of people are allowed in who will consume the exact same resources?

So, now we will get to watch the liberal news media (the same media who ignored the millions of immigrants when they entered) try to get any and all footage of any illegal immigrant who is caught and detained pending deportation, even if that immigrant is a criminal who the Democrat run sanctuary cities have and are currently trying to protect while endangering their own citizens in the process, in their attempt to make the Trump Administration look as cruel as possible. All these people, many of which I'm sure are good hardworking people, may now be forced to go back to their home country....a country they likely would have never left had it not been for the Biden Administration rolling out the welcome mat.
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1. Migrant workers are the best thing to happen to social security finances ever. They pay, and will never collect. Generally speaking, migrants are a boon to the country's economy. They produce economic benefits in excess of what they consume, and that only becomes more pronounced when you consider their children.

2. The debt has basically nothing to do with migrants. That's so stupid but it's on brand for you. Also, non-citizen, non-green card immigrants cannot actually collect Medicare or Social Security, but they do pay into it.

3. What's remarkable is how your party affiliation causes you to reject all facts and logic in favor of bullshit and misinformation.

4. We already know what Trump did on immigration. Jack shit until the pandemic. Most of the shit he talks about has already been found to be illegal by federal courts, including the Supreme Court on occasion (though pre-ACB).

5. Stop projecting your own ignorance. YOU clearly do not know "who these people are." That doesn't mean "we" don't. It just means you're a dumbass who confuses his own ignorance for a state of the world.
 
dukeman92 said:
Would you consider someone with a documented history of alcohol abuse, sexual assault, misogyny, and Christian Nationalism mentally stable?
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I suspect we're going to see the first 3 differently.

"Documented alcoholism" I assume is based on accusations of former Fox employee, many more employees have disputed the claim.

"Sexual assault" is an accusation for which there was no legal action ever taken.

"Misogyny" is probably a reference to his views on women in the military. It's a stretch to say that not lowering established physical requirements is "misogyny"

I'm not sure what the Christian Nationalism is a reference to.
 
You mean he's.....a Christian with a traditional Jerusalem Cross tattooed on his chest.
 
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